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29-08-2015, 01:23 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(28-08-2015 10:00 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(27-08-2015 02:51 PM)Free Wrote:  Hi Q,

Personally, I have never had a bone to pick with you. To me, you are a typical theist whose belief system is indeed consistent with what has come down to us from the history of Christianity. You are normal in that respect.

Now in regards to "You cannot prove a negative," it is true regardless if you are a Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, or anything. It isn't an atheistic attribute, you see. It is just the normal logical process each of all share.

The reason we cannot prove a negative is because there is nothing observable in existence to prove in regards to the existence of God. With "negative" meaning "nothing," there is nothing observable to prove. So that's why we cannot prove a negative, and why you get faced with "The burden of proof is upon he who makes the positive claim of existence."

However, since we cannot prove a negative due to the lack of any observable physical evidence of the entity in regards to God, we can however use demonstrable evidence to indicate non existence.

Would you be open to exploring this method?

I am open--I hold nothing in reserve--if you have demonstrable evidence to indicate the non-existence of God. And since I consider Jesus the highest form of God, I would even settle for demonstrable evidence of the non-deity of Jesus to be reason enough to deconvert, not for another religion, but straight to atheism.

"I would even settle for demonstrable evidence of the non-deity of Jesus to be reason enough to deconvert,"

This would have to be one of the most pathetic, deperately weak and sad statements I've ever read from a theist on TTA forum.
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29-08-2015, 05:24 AM (This post was last modified: 29-08-2015 05:27 AM by TheInquisition.)
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
Poor little Q, he's so persecuted - by being on a forum he's not wanted on.

He gets on threads that he has no business being on, to play his stupid hermeneutic games
.

He plays his passive-aggressive game of politeness while he denigrates and straw-mans everyone around him while pretending to be innocent.

Perhaps it's finally dawning on him that this type of behavior isn't appreciated.

You provide a Christ-like example of your damaged mind, your delusional world view, and your disgusting semi-cloaked disdain that drips from everyone of your posts.

Your silly Christ-like ego won't allow you to simply stop, to go away and realize you can't change people's mind with your bullshit.

Q has poisoned the well here, he's lost all credibility and he's too dense, or egotistical to realize it.

Maybe he needs to ask Jeebus for forgiveness, I don't see much Christ-like behavior from him.

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29-08-2015, 05:48 AM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(28-08-2015 10:00 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  "I would even settle for demonstrable evidence of the non-deity of Jesus to be reason enough to deconvert,"

This would have to be one of the most pathetic, deperately weak and sad statements I've ever read from a theist on TTA forum.

Well Jebus never said he was a deity. The authors of the gospels claimed he asked on the cross why his father had forsaken him. The fact is, there is nothing that could be presented to you Q, that would be sufficient to meet that requirement.

I still want to know what is the *medium and lower* "forms of god". If Jebus is the *highest*, then what exactly do those words mean.

(Oh nothing .... just like the rest of Q's drivel).

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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04-09-2015, 01:44 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(28-08-2015 10:45 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(28-08-2015 10:00 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I am open--I hold nothing in reserve--if you have demonstrable evidence to indicate the non-existence of God. And since I consider Jesus the highest form of God, I would even settle for demonstrable evidence of the non-deity of Jesus to be reason enough to deconvert, not for another religion, but straight to atheism.

What are the other "forms of god" ? If Jebus is the "highest" ?

Nice try. You can't argue with anything, so you call people children.
We get how desperate you must be.

And even a cursory look at the post you responded to shows I was open to factual evidence from you regarding deconversion. How is it you preferred not to provide any such facts?

I'm told atheists on forums like TTA are bitter and angry. If you are not, your posts to me will be respectful, insightful and thoughtful. Prove me wrong by your adherence to decent behavior.
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04-09-2015, 01:45 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(29-08-2015 01:23 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(28-08-2015 10:00 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I am open--I hold nothing in reserve--if you have demonstrable evidence to indicate the non-existence of God. And since I consider Jesus the highest form of God, I would even settle for demonstrable evidence of the non-deity of Jesus to be reason enough to deconvert, not for another religion, but straight to atheism.

"I would even settle for demonstrable evidence of the non-deity of Jesus to be reason enough to deconvert,"

This would have to be one of the most pathetic, deperately weak and sad statements I've ever read from a theist on TTA forum.

So, do you have such evidence or no? I grow weary of atheist appeals to arguments from silence and speculative theory.

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04-09-2015, 01:49 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(28-08-2015 10:50 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(28-08-2015 10:08 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Debate resolution for Mark to take the affirmative position against the entirety of the entity known as Q in the Boxing Ring:

Resolved: Many children are deliriously happy, so there is no God.

Come on Mark, how about it? You are SO sure there is no God, and often cite the suffering of children as one obvious reason God cannot logically (or in your case, emotionally) exist. So be consistent. Please meet me in the Boxing Ring where you will make the affirmative case that as each and every child experiences at times (they ALL do, you know) learning, happiness, joy, wonder, etc. that each instance of children's happiness and each moment of an adult's childlike wonder at it all firmly disproves a caring, loving God. I will of course, take the negative, and bring up the many, many examples I have where happy children prove God not only exists, but loves people.

Certainly, you may add what I just added to our debate resolution, and prove over and again, how each time you and other people experience pangs of happiness and childlike wonder at life, how it is that those instances show no god can possibly ever exist.

Thanks.

PS. Spare us all your vicious, rampant, unrepentant misotheism. Don't even waste my time or that of your atheist buddies with a rant about the suffering children do. WE ALL BELIEVE YOU. WE ALL KNOW THAT SOME CHILDREN SUFFER SOME, AND SOME MUCH. Now be consistent and fully defend your ideas. HOW DOES THE GENERAL HAPPINESS OF MOST CHILDREN--HAPPIER THAN MOST ADULTS ON THE WHOLE--DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF A LOVING, BENEVOLENT GOD.

I don't suppose Q can be banned for just being really stupid , can he?

The thinking here is so banal, so wrong, so crazy and inconsistent one can only assume the man is mildly mentally retarded.

(I think, but I'm not sure) he wants me to argue that the fact some kids are happy diproves the existence of God. Why he thinks I would be interested in supporting a non-sequitor such as this I do not know. Why he keeps asking people to prove that God doesn't exist, when we all admit it can't be done, is beyond me.

(I think, but I'm not sure) his position is that because kids are happy, God exists. How he hopes to make an argument for that, I have no idea.

Mark, I'm literally unable to determine from your post whether you are ducking my challenge--or simply don't comprehend it. I mean that.

You have frequently resorted to childish "children suffer needlessly so there cannot be a loving God" statements--or perhaps not you, but your atheist friends have, and you've told me to pick (and have turned down) numerous debate resolutions already.

To be consistent as an atheist, you must be prepared to defend how there is no god because children suffer and also, you must be an atheist apologist because there are countless children who live lives of joy with little or no suffering involved.

I guess you are simply ducking the 6th (?) debate resolution I offered, choosing instead to make emotional appeals without being consistent enough to defend both sides of a given argument.

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04-09-2015, 01:50 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(29-08-2015 05:24 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Poor little Q, he's so persecuted - by being on a forum he's not wanted on.

He gets on threads that he has no business being on, to play his stupid hermeneutic games
.

He plays his passive-aggressive game of politeness while he denigrates and straw-mans everyone around him while pretending to be innocent.

Perhaps it's finally dawning on him that this type of behavior isn't appreciated.

You provide a Christ-like example of your damaged mind, your delusional world view, and your disgusting semi-cloaked disdain that drips from everyone of your posts.

Your silly Christ-like ego won't allow you to simply stop, to go away and realize you can't change people's mind with your bullshit.

Q has poisoned the well here, he's lost all credibility and he's too dense, or egotistical to realize it.

Maybe he needs to ask Jeebus for forgiveness, I don't see much Christ-like behavior from him.

I find it overly convenient that when I'm kind, you call it passive-aggressive. My alternatives are to be kind... or to be insufferably vile and rude like (some) atheists here at TTA. You choose. I can be more openly aggressive if you think that will help you understand Bible truths. Sadcryface

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04-09-2015, 01:51 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(29-08-2015 05:48 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(28-08-2015 10:00 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  "I would even settle for demonstrable evidence of the non-deity of Jesus to be reason enough to deconvert,"

This would have to be one of the most pathetic, deperately weak and sad statements I've ever read from a theist on TTA forum.

Well Jebus never said he was a deity. The authors of the gospels claimed he asked on the cross why his father had forsaken him. The fact is, there is nothing that could be presented to you Q, that would be sufficient to meet that requirement.

I still want to know what is the *medium and lower* "forms of god". If Jebus is the *highest*, then what exactly do those words mean.

(Oh nothing .... just like the rest of Q's drivel).

I don't know this Jebus you speak of, but I will answer YOUR question if you phrase it in the form of "Jesus Christ".

Thanks.

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04-09-2015, 01:56 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(04-09-2015 01:45 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  So, do you have such evidence or no? I grow weary of atheist appeals to arguments from silence and speculative theory.

You really don't understand this whole "burden of proof" thing, do you?

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04-09-2015, 03:01 PM
RE: Jesus Christ, A Pointless Sacrifice
(04-09-2015 01:49 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(28-08-2015 10:50 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  I don't suppose Q can be banned for just being really stupid , can he?

The thinking here is so banal, so wrong, so crazy and inconsistent one can only assume the man is mildly mentally retarded.

(I think, but I'm not sure) he wants me to argue that the fact some kids are happy diproves the existence of God. Why he thinks I would be interested in supporting a non-sequitor such as this I do not know. Why he keeps asking people to prove that God doesn't exist, when we all admit it can't be done, is beyond me.

(I think, but I'm not sure) his position is that because kids are happy, God exists. How he hopes to make an argument for that, I have no idea.

Mark, I'm literally unable to determine from your post whether you are ducking my challenge--or simply don't comprehend it. I mean that.

You have frequently resorted to childish "children suffer needlessly so there cannot be a loving God" statements--or perhaps not you, but your atheist friends have, and you've told me to pick (and have turned down) numerous debate resolutions already.

To be consistent as an atheist, you must be prepared to defend how there is no god because children suffer and also, you must be an atheist apologist because there are countless children who live lives of joy with little or no suffering involved.

I guess you are simply ducking the 6th (?) debate resolution I offered, choosing instead to make emotional appeals without being consistent enough to defend both sides of a given argument.

"To be consistent as an atheist, you must be prepared to defend how there is no god because children suffer"

This would be a pointless debate. You would simply make up stuff about how you know the mind of God. The same god who doesn't ever say or do anything. I would quite reasonably point out that your dumb and impotent god is only a figment of your imagination.

"you must be an atheist apologist because there are countless children who live lives of joy with little or no suffering involved." Huh

This is a non sequitur. It may have some convoluted coherency, but in your mind only.

If I asked you to discuss

"you must be a gynaecologist, because my grandmother eats lots of green apples"

you would have the same reaction I've had to your statement....a blank stare.
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