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01-04-2013, 11:59 PM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2013 07:03 PM by Doctor X.)
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02-04-2013, 07:59 AM
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(01-04-2013 08:27 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(01-04-2013 12:32 PM)Doctor X Wrote:  
Funny, a religious scholar recently tried to claim that since Jn mentions wounds to the hands that this somehow makes the account "historical." Boy does not know his anatomy!

Because of that mistake by Jn we have the tradition of nailing through the hands. Since it has been clear how impossible that would be, you get more modern depictions with nails and tying the arms to the cross--because the Romans were that inefficient!

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I found this on http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7291066/#.UVpBinBTPnY:

"Although the case of Jehohanan showed that victims' feet were nailed, what about the hands? In the Gospel of John, the apostle Thomas refers to the nail holes in Jesus' hands. In the 1930s, experiments conducted with cadavers led researcher Pierre Barbet to conclude that nails driven through the palms of the hands could not have supported the weight of the arms and upper body —and that the nails were more likely driven through the wrists, which would have lent more support."

Yup, that's what they do. When the facts don't fit reality, they move the goal posts instead of admitting that the facts don't fit.

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02-04-2013, 07:59 AM
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(01-04-2013 11:59 PM)Doctor X Wrote:  One important take-away from posts Carlo and others was that this was a public execution. The Romans carried them out outside the city as a warning. "This be what happeneth if you pisseth us off . . . eth."

There was never a tradition of "let one go . . . for Passover!" The Romans also did not tend to give bodies back. They are there for a reason: do not piss us off.

--J.D.

The prisoner release at Passover. Highly doubtful. More likely, it was an allegorical tool used with the idea of Jesus being a sacrifice for the sins of humanity ("It's like Kapero......And Jesus is the chicken." - Seth Andrews). The vulgar mob calls for the release of a prisoner and sinner named Barabbas (Aramaic lit "Son of the Father") and has blameless Jesus - The Son of The Father - crucified.

In reality no roman court - save only the Colliseum - worked that way. And no governor who was literally worth his salt would have released a prisoner guilty of insurrection, robbery, and murder over a batshit insane Rabbi who simply claimed to be the Son of God.

As for giving a crucified prisoner a burial, I guess it would depend on the person and their wealth and means; all politicians can be per$$$uaded to do the right thing. The remains of a crucified prisoner named Jehoanon, Son of Hagakol was found in a tomb near Jerusalem, so it did happen. But crucifixion was a punishment for pirates, slaves and other assorted scum of the earth. No Roman citizen or high borne subject would be condemned to it and often times the families of the condemned weren't wealthy enough to afford a proper burial. They became food for the vultures.

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02-04-2013, 09:06 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2013 06:57 PM by Doctor X.)
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02-04-2013, 09:34 AM
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(31-03-2013 08:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I think the Roman historians said they employed both methods during the seige and occupation of Jerusalem. So who knows. The one thing they always get wrong, as Fulton pointed out a few weeks ago, was that they were always naked. They always get that wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion

That's because it was also about humiliation. As they were up there...well parts of their body (if they were men) became rather engorged.

Something else that's never shown...

*snort*


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02-04-2013, 09:48 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2013 06:57 PM by Doctor X.)
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02-04-2013, 09:50 AM
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(02-04-2013 09:34 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(31-03-2013 08:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I think the Roman historians said they employed both methods during the seige and occupation of Jerusalem. So who knows. The one thing they always get wrong, as Fulton pointed out a few weeks ago, was that they were always naked. They always get that wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion

That's because it was also about humiliation. As they were up there...well parts of their body (if they were men) became rather engorged.

Something else that's never shown...

*snort*

Not sure dying like that puts men in a sexy mood.

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02-04-2013, 09:57 AM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2013 06:56 PM by Doctor X.)
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02-04-2013, 02:45 PM
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(02-04-2013 09:50 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  
(02-04-2013 09:34 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  That's because it was also about humiliation. As they were up there...well parts of their body (if they were men) became rather engorged.

Something else that's never shown...

*snort*

Not sure dying like that puts men in a sexy mood.

It's a physical reaction. Much like what happens during auto-erotic asphyxiation.


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02-04-2013, 02:51 PM
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(02-04-2013 02:45 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(02-04-2013 09:50 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:  Not sure dying like that puts men in a sexy mood.

It's a physical reaction. Much like what happens during auto-erotic asphyxiation.


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