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06-12-2015, 10:36 AM
RE: Jesus apparently existed outside of the bible..
For me, saying there was a historic jesus is the same as saying there was a historic plumber without magical powers to fix the drain pipes in your house.

Fucking irrelevant.

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06-12-2015, 12:53 PM
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Wow, holy necro batman!

And no new info to put forward. Must be December.
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06-12-2015, 01:05 PM
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(07-05-2011 04:12 PM)No J. Wrote:  
(06-05-2011 10:58 AM)Ghost Wrote:  Hey, No. J.
Imagine a 2,000 year old conspiracy theory where the next generation takes over from the last generation, over and over again.

is it really necessary to imagine that ? isn't looking out the window sufficient ?
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06-12-2015, 01:07 PM
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hey why necro this thread ?

alright who went into Orochimaru's base and took the scroll with the instruction for the Reanimation jutsu ?
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06-12-2015, 01:19 PM
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The Jesus character was invented after the alleged time of the movement and applied after the fact by the writers. But it still wouldn't matter if a man named Jesus started Christianity, he still would have only been a man. There still is no such thing as magic babies or zombie gods. There is no such thing as a man/God......

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06-12-2015, 02:21 PM
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Jesus – The Imaginary Friend

Christianity was the ultimate product of religious syncretism in the ancient world. Its emergence owed nothing to a holy carpenter. There were many Jesuses but the fable was a cultural construct.

The nativity yarn is a concatenation of nonsense. The genealogies of Jesus, both Matthew's version and Luke's, are pious fiction. Nazareth did not exist in the 1st century AD – the area was a burial ground of rock-cut tombs.

With multiple authors behind the original gospel story it is no surprise that the figure of "Jesus" is a mess of contradictions. Yet the story is so thinly drawn that being a "good Christian" might mean almost anything.

The 12 disciples are as fictitious as their master, invented to legitimise the claims of the early churches. The original Mary was not a virgin, that idea was borrowed from pagan goddesses. The pagan world knew all about virgins getting pregnant by randy gods: The Mythical "Virgin Mother".

Scholars have known all this for more than 200 years but priestcraft is a highly profitable business and finances an industry of deceit to keep the show on the road.

"Jesus better documented than any other ancient figure"? Don't believe a word of it. Unlike the mythical Jesus, a real historical figure like Julius Caesar has a mass of mutually supporting evidence.

From— Jesus Never Existed by Kenneth Humphreys.

Humphreys describes himself thusly: "I’m an ex-college lecturer, ex-photographer, ex-computer salesman – but not an ex-Christian, Jew, Moslem or Nazi! I had a religion-free childhood and from the youngest age acquired an interest in history. In turns I was both fascinated and appalled by the history of the 'Christian Faith' and have made its legacy and crimes a life-long study, not because—as Christian apologists often imagine, I was ever 'hurt', abused, or rejected by the Church or Christians—but because humanity’s fate has for so long been held captive by this pernicious creed. But all religion is inherently dangerous."

—And I had to laugh at an apologist's site attacking one of Humphreys' first premises: "Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many". This apologist's non-answer illustrates exactly why they can't be rationally debated...

"Perhaps this is true, but what of it? There have been many American war heroes named 'George' (Washington, Custer, Patton, Bush), but this doesn't suggest that others named George didn't exist." Facepalm

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06-12-2015, 03:03 PM
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22-04-2016, 11:47 AM
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(06-12-2015 03:03 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  [Image: TTA-necro_zps7qtt7xyd.png]
So you've established that Jesus existed, as a historical figure. But that's only half the battle. Now you must figure out whether Jesus was the "son of God" as it is claimed by so many. Because this is such a huge issue, I believe it is important to establish a hard case on whether this historical figure was the son of God, rather than dismiss all the claims as false. If we do this, then the creationists will win. So we should give reasons for why we dismiss these claims.

Perhaps his followers hallucinated due to extreme emotions from his death, causing them to believe he rose from the dead. We see very clearly even today that his followers are devoted to him. Maybe the claims were made up later by early Christians, and no one at the time of this "messiah" actually thought he was the son of their god, or rose from the dead. Or maybe his followers knew that this Jesus did not rise from the dead, but made up the story anyway to establish a following.

Which do you think is more likely?
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22-04-2016, 01:47 PM
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Jesus was a common name the NT writers slapped on the early movement after the fact. There WAS a man, but more likely a group of Hebrews looking to rush in the hero in their lifespan. What did not happen regardless, was the birth of a magic baby with super powers who ended up having all the blood drained out of his body only to survive rigor mortis after 3 days. A man or group of people simply took old ideas from the Hebrews and concocted a new religion and successfully marketed it. But there was no god involved or magic involved.

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22-04-2016, 02:39 PM
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(22-04-2016 11:47 AM)102 Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 03:03 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  [Image: TTA-necro_zps7qtt7xyd.png]
So you've established that Jesus existed, as a historical figure. But that's only half the battle. Now you must figure out whether Jesus was the "son of God" as it is claimed by so many. Because this is such a huge issue, I believe it is important to establish a hard case on whether this historical figure was the son of God, rather than dismiss all the claims as false. If we do this, then the creationists will win. So we should give reasons for why we dismiss these claims.

Perhaps his followers hallucinated due to extreme emotions from his death, causing them to believe he rose from the dead. We see very clearly even today that his followers are devoted to him. Maybe the claims were made up later by early Christians, and no one at the time of this "messiah" actually thought he was the son of their god, or rose from the dead. Or maybe his followers knew that this Jesus did not rise from the dead, but made up the story anyway to establish a following.

Which do you think is more likely?

In Hebrew society, god had many sons. It simply meant one was righteous.
The subject has NOTHING to do with Creationism.

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