Jesus apparently existed outside of the bible..
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29-01-2014, 03:59 AM
RE: Jesus apparently existed outside of the bible..
(28-01-2014 03:36 AM)Phil Hill Wrote:  As far as the rapid rise of Christianity being the most convincing historical evidence, baloney. Although many people Christian and secular insist that a legend could not rise so fast, I say they have no idea what they are talking about. How fast did the legend of Menachm Schneerson being Messiah take to rise after his death in 1994?

Menachem Mendel Schneerson was a real person so he doesn't work as a counter-example. You need someone that is fictitious that became deified.
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29-01-2014, 09:07 AM
RE: Jesus apparently existed outside of the bible..
Quote: The elevated role of women in Western culture traces its roots back to Jesus. (Women in Jesus' day were considered inferior and virtual nonpersons until his teaching was followed.)

Bullshit. Before the rise of Christianity in Rome women could own businesses, they could seek divorce, they could own property. It was the rise of fundamentalist religion that stripped women of these rights. Christianity and Jesus have been used to justify the subjugation of women up to the present day. Hell, Islam claims Jesus as a prophet and just look how elevated their women are.

Quote: •Nations have used his words as the bedrock of their governments. According to Durant, "The triumph of Christ was the beginning of democracy."12

Bullshit. Governments founded on Jesus and his teaching have always been hierarchical and never democratic. Democratic governments formed in spite of the teachings of Jesus.
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22-02-2014, 02:57 AM
RE: Jesus apparently existed outside of the bible..
(06-05-2011 01:46 AM)No J. Wrote:  This question:

Finally, perhaps the most convincing historical evidence that Jesus existed was the rapid rise of Christianity. How can it be explained without Christ? How could this group of fishermen and other workingmen invent Jesus in a scant few years?

Is answered by the study of Emporor Constantine who became a christian because he wanted a god that wouldn't punish him for anything. He picked christianity because it had the "repent and ye shall be saved" escape clause. Constantine and the roman government decided to use christianity to help them build their power and in return they helped christianity become very powerful. They even let christians go on murderous rampages destroying pagan temples and killing their holymen.

So jesus didn't have to exist to make the rise of christianity so fast and to such a great power.
Constantine's mother Helena was already a Christian before Constantine's conversion and before he was declared Caesar in York, as well as many high ranking Romans, such was the widespread reach of the Christian Faith. Tertullian writing circa AD 200 (Adversus Judaeos 7:4) states that the faith was widespread in the Empire (even in Britain) a good century before Constantine. Christian Artefacts have been found in England of early 3rd Century. Constantine was the icing on the cake, but the rapid spread of the faith began well before then. It was only a matter of time before tolerance or recognition was granted.
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22-02-2014, 03:21 AM
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(06-05-2011 01:46 AM)No J. Wrote:  This question:

Finally, perhaps the most convincing historical evidence that Jesus existed was the rapid rise of Christianity. How can it be explained without Christ? How could this group of fishermen and other workingmen invent Jesus in a scant few years?

Is answered by the study of Emporor Constantine who became a christian because he wanted a god that wouldn't punish him for anything. He picked christianity because it had the "repent and ye shall be saved" escape clause. Constantine and the roman government decided to use christianity to help them build their power and in return they helped christianity become very powerful. They even let christians go on murderous rampages destroying pagan temples and killing their holymen.

So jesus didn't have to exist to make the rise of christianity so fast and to such a great power.
Constantine's mother Helena was already a Christian before Constantine's conversion and before he was declared Caesar in York, as well as many high ranking Romans, such was the widespread reach of the Christian Faith. Tertullian writing circa AD 200 (Adversus Judaeos 7:4) states that the faith was widespread in the Empire (even in Britain) a good century before Constantine. Christian Artefacts have been found in England of early 3rd Century. Constantine was the icing on the cake, but the rapid spread of the faith began well before then. It was only a matter of time before tolerance or recognition was granted.
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23-02-2014, 05:44 PM
RE: Jesus apparently existed outside of the bible..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNfdhTvteYw

“Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.

-Christopher Hitchens
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23-02-2014, 05:55 PM
RE: Jesus apparently existed outside of the bible..
I think the evidence for his existence is low, but if he did exist, he would just be a charismatic preacher.


Im SURE everyone here has read Richard Carriers books or watched his videos?

“Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.

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