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15-11-2014, 09:45 AM
RE: Jesus historicity
(15-11-2014 09:40 AM)StorMFront Wrote:  
(15-11-2014 09:34 AM)Free Wrote:  Oh I see! So you come here to this forum with all your bluster and lack of education and expect some of the "very educated" people here to automatically respect and accept your position as if it is some kind of indisputable truth?

lol

Just one word for you dude.

Fuck off.

Tongue


Wow, talk about being a douchebag. Where as now you're a self professed 'educated' person. Who resorts to insults and ad hominems? Where I gave no such reason for you to be a dick to begin with? Shaking my head man.....pathetic.

There are many people on this forum who do not doubt my education, and many of them debate me on a regular basis on this subject. Nor do I doubt their advanced education either. For example, me & Bucky have had some great discussions on this subject and have learned from each other. He, along with numerous others, are exceptionally educated.

So ... I can be a dick. I can be douchebag. I can be an asshole. After all, I AM all those things.

But one thing I am not is uneducated.

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15-11-2014, 09:46 AM (This post was last modified: 15-11-2014 09:51 AM by StorMFront.)
RE: Jesus historicity
I like science, historical Jesus would be simply a hypothesis within science. Where as there is simply not sufficient evidence to take that next 'leap' from going from a hypothesize to a scientific theory.

Arguing with a Christian is a lot like playing chess with a pigeon. You can be the greatest player in the world, yet the pigeon will knock over all the pieces, shit on the board and strut away triumphantly.
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15-11-2014, 09:50 AM (This post was last modified: 15-11-2014 10:00 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Jesus historicity
(15-11-2014 09:45 AM)Free Wrote:  
(15-11-2014 09:40 AM)StorMFront Wrote:  Wow, talk about being a douchebag. Where as now you're a self professed 'educated' person. Who resorts to insults and ad hominems? Where I gave no such reason for you to be a dick to begin with? Shaking my head man.....pathetic.

There are many people on this forum who do not doubt my education, and many of them debate me on a regular basis on this subject. Nor do I doubt their advanced education either. For example, me & Bucky have had some great discussions on this subject and have learned from each other. He, along with numerous others, are exceptionally educated.

So ... I can be a dick. I can be douchebag. I can be an asshole. After all, I AM all those things.

But one thing I am not is uneducated.

Big Grin

It's "Bucky and I" .... Tongue
But yes ... Free is a great historian. There is no doubt about that. We've had some fun "knock-down-drag-outs". Weeping
We probably also agree, in the end. While I like to "poke" at the holes in the arguments of those who assume they have good reasons to think Jesus did exist,
he may well have existed. I don't know. It doesn't matter. If he did, he was not unique in any way. I DO know that the "Church Fathers" accused each other of lying, and they wrote books about the usefulness of deception .. so I trust none of them. http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...rly-church

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15-11-2014, 09:54 AM
RE: Jesus historicity
(15-11-2014 09:32 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(15-11-2014 09:26 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Nothing, he existed, that's it.

Woohoo. Party on. Citation for your claim?

Sure:

"OK so Jesus existed." -morondog
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15-11-2014, 09:55 AM
RE: Jesus historicity
'Plausible' perhaps, confirmed no.

Arguing with a Christian is a lot like playing chess with a pigeon. You can be the greatest player in the world, yet the pigeon will knock over all the pieces, shit on the board and strut away triumphantly.
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15-11-2014, 09:56 AM
RE: Jesus historicity
(15-11-2014 09:50 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(15-11-2014 09:45 AM)Free Wrote:  There are many people on this forum who do not doubt my education, and many of them debate me on a regular basis on this subject. Nor do I doubt their advanced education either. For example, me & Bucky have had some great discussions on this subject and have learned from each other. He, along with numerous others, are exceptionally educated.

So ... I can be a dick. I can be douchebag. I can be an asshole. After all, I AM all those things.

But one thing I am not is uneducated.

Big Grin

It's "Bucky and I" .... Tongue

Are you looking to be crucified like Jesus WAS?

Tongue

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15-11-2014, 10:03 AM
RE: Jesus historicity
(15-11-2014 09:41 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You have not provided even ONE example why we should take that CLAIM seriously. Your two sources are OCCUPATIONALLY OBLIGATED, (ie they have an inherent conflict of interest) to tow the party line.

Ah yes, your now infamous tactic of moving the goal post, lets pullout your accusation from the previous thread:

Buckyboy: "You cannot provide ONE scholar or example of what you asserted about biographies."

I provided more than ONE, in fact several were listed. After i provided exactly what you requested, then you cry about these scholars supposed OCCUPATIONAL OBLIGATIONS. Just give it a rest and go home.
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15-11-2014, 10:03 AM
RE: Jesus historicity
(15-11-2014 09:56 AM)Free Wrote:  
(15-11-2014 09:50 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  It's "Bucky and I" .... Tongue

Are you looking to be crucified like Jesus WAS?

Tongue

Gotta run. Angel

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15-11-2014, 10:06 AM
RE: Jesus historicity
Quote:You know who else lived during the time of Jesus, for whom we don't have a single Pagan writer mentioning? Pilate. We don't a have a single pagan writer mentioning anything about his numerous political campaigns etc during his life time. Tacitus does mention him only about 50 years later, and only in passage writing of how he crucified Jesus.


Is all your history so shitty? Both Philo of Alexandria and Josephus discussed Pilate's activities in Judaea. See Philo's "Embassy to Gaius"...if you dare. Josephus' reference comes in Book XVIII of Antiquities of the Jews.

The Tacitus reference is most likely a forgery but even if it were not, he does not mention any fucking "jesus." Like Pliny and Suetonius writing in the early 2d century the term they know is "christos" ( or more likely "chrestus") but none of them heard the name of "jesus." That part of the story had obviously not been invented yet.

The first Roman writer to mention jesus is Celsus towards the 185 mark of the 2d century.

You know, you really shouldn't make such childish mistakes in your argument. It makes you look like a jackass.

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15-11-2014, 10:15 AM
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Quote: However, It is not an extraordinary claim to think a man inspired a legend.

No, but it is not necessary, either. Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus" points out that in 1945, Betty Crocker was named the 2d most influential woman in America, behind Eleanor Roosevelt.

Betty Crocker was created as an advertising campaign in 1921. Eleanor Roosevelt, at least, was real.

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