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14-01-2016, 02:01 PM
RE: Jesus's genealogy problem
dancefortwo ' Wrote:  I can't believe I just typed that.Rolleyes

I can.

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14-01-2016, 07:51 PM
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(14-01-2016 09:31 AM)theophilus Wrote:  The genealogy in Luke is that of Mary.

https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matt...and-luke-3

Joseph was not biologically related to Jesus but Matthew gives his genealogy because it was through him that inherited his right to be king of the Jews.

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2015/0...ng-joseph/

No one in Israel ever "inherited" anything through the mother, (except maybe their eyes). Ever.

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14-01-2016, 08:48 PM
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(14-01-2016 09:31 AM)theophilus Wrote:  The genealogy in Luke is that of Mary.

https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matt...and-luke-3

Joseph was not biologically related to Jesus but Matthew gives his genealogy because it was through him that inherited his right to be king of the Jews.

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2015/0...ng-joseph/

If the genealogy in Luke was of Mary then Luke is obviously a liar. Are you accepting that?
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14-01-2016, 08:49 PM
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(14-01-2016 07:51 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 09:31 AM)theophilus Wrote:  The genealogy in Luke is that of Mary.

https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matt...and-luke-3

Joseph was not biologically related to Jesus but Matthew gives his genealogy because it was through him that inherited his right to be king of the Jews.

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2015/0...ng-joseph/

No one in Israel ever "inherited" anything through the mother, (except maybe their eyes). Ever.

But today one's Jewishness itself is inherited from the mother only.
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14-01-2016, 08:54 PM
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(14-01-2016 08:49 PM)DerFish Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 07:51 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No one in Israel ever "inherited" anything through the mother, (except maybe their eyes). Ever.

But today one's Jewishness itself is inherited from the mother only.

Not "only", but you do have a point. And the fact is, it changed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism

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14-01-2016, 09:24 PM
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But.... but....why is Joseph listed as his father? How does this even work. If Jesus is the son of god why is Joseph the father. God supposedly knocks up Mary with himself but Joseph is the father. Hummm. This simply doesn't make any sense. Yeah, yeah, I know....it's the Bible and the Bible is screwy.

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14-01-2016, 10:36 PM
RE: Jesus's genealogy problem
(14-01-2016 09:24 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  But.... but....why is Joseph listed as his father? How does this even work. If Jesus is the son of god why is Joseph the father. God supposedly knocks up Mary with himself but Joseph is the father. Hummm. This simply doesn't make any sense. Yeah, yeah, I know....it's the Bible and the Bible is screwy.

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14-01-2016, 11:55 PM
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Theo, it's hard to believe that you are that fucking stupid. But I am slowly being persuaded that you are just a shameless apologist for bullshit.

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15-01-2016, 08:21 AM
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(14-01-2016 09:47 AM)Imathinker Wrote:  I wonder what would happen if you sequenced jesus's dna. Scrape some off the shroud of turin or whatever. Or get some from a eucharist.

You'd find that he had a Roman father.
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15-01-2016, 08:39 AM
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(14-01-2016 08:54 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 08:49 PM)DerFish Wrote:  But today one's Jewishness itself is inherited from the mother only.

Not "only", but you do have a point. And the fact is, it changed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism

Okay, wait. Bucky, I disagree with the logic put forth in that Wikipedia page. I think it discounts a few key details.

But whether I disagree on those few points or not, the practice of matrilineal descent was well in place during the time that Jesus was said to have lived. We all agree that the character of Jesus was Jewish because of Mary, but he couldn’t have had the support and acknowledgement as a messianic candidate from the Jewish people if Joseph wasn’t his father. Lineage passed down through Mary is totally irrelevant and would have been viewed as such by the Jews of that era.
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