Jesus was NOT the Messiah

[Free Thought]

(23-10-2014 11:00 AM)Learner Wrote:  

(23-10-2014 10:11 AM)Minimalist Wrote:  Correct.

Damn, I got a good, needed laugh out of that! That's hilarious. What movie's that from??

Monty Python's The Life of Brian.

I highly recommend it.

[Learner]

(23-10-2014 08:53 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Thanks for the reference to the Rabbi. I'll see what he has to say. There is also a fairly new book by Bart Ehrman "How Jesus Became a god" which I like first, because in the title, he references the correct translation of the Greek word "exaltation" (which makes perfect sense in the context of Jewish Apocalypicism (NOT "resurrection")).
http://www.amazon.com/How-Jesus-Became-G...0061778184
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...other-look

I know a lot of what the Rabbi says can be found elsewhere, but personally, I really found his style fun to listen to, I value the scholarship and seriousness he brought to the topic, I enjoyed his jokes and light-heartedness, and I especially enjoyed his Brooklyn accent. It was a great intro for me into some of these topics leading to deeper study elsewhere. I'm also a huge fan of Dr Ehrman and have read several of his books. I'd also heartily recommend the work of E.P. Sanders. Sanders' book on the historical Jesus is worth its weight in gold, even moreso than anything I've read by Ehrman. He demolishes any possibility of the birth narrative stories in the Gospels having a reliable historical basis (that was my favorite part). Sanders, like Ehrman, also is of the school interpreting Jesus as being an apocalypticist.

[Minimalist]

(23-10-2014 11:00 AM)Learner Wrote:  

(23-10-2014 10:11 AM)Minimalist Wrote:  Correct.

Damn, I got a good, needed laugh out of that! That's hilarious. What movie's that from??

YOU NEVER SAW LIFE OF BRIAN?!!!!


WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

[dancefortwo]

(23-10-2014 12:08 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  

(23-10-2014 11:00 AM)Learner Wrote:   Damn, I got a good, needed laugh out of that! That's hilarious. What movie's that from??

YOU NEVER SAW LIFE OF BRIAN?!!!!


WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

That's one of my favorite movies. Probably seen it 10 times. The sermon on the mount scene is worth watching over and over again.

Blessed are the cheesemakers.

[Minimalist]

What have the Romans ever done for us?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

[unfogged]

(23-10-2014 03:01 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Blessed are the cheesemakers.

That's obviously not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any makers of dairy products.

[Chas]

(23-10-2014 04:36 PM)unfogged Wrote:  

(23-10-2014 03:01 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Blessed are the cheesemakers.

That's obviously not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any makers of dairy products.

It's a metaphor - don't take it out of context.

[Minimalist]

"If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off."

[Bucky Ball]

(23-10-2014 11:17 AM)Learner Wrote:  

(23-10-2014 08:53 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Thanks for the reference to the Rabbi. I'll see what he has to say. There is also a fairly new book by Bart Ehrman "How Jesus Became a god" which I like first, because in the title, he references the correct translation of the Greek word "exaltation" (which makes perfect sense in the context of Jewish Apocalypicism (NOT "resurrection")).
http://www.amazon.com/How-Jesus-Became-G...0061778184
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...other-look

I know a lot of what the Rabbi says can be found elsewhere, but personally, I really found his style fun to listen to, I value the scholarship and seriousness he brought to the topic, I enjoyed his jokes and light-heartedness, and I especially enjoyed his Brooklyn accent. It was a great intro for me into some of these topics leading to deeper study elsewhere. I'm also a huge fan of Dr Ehrman and have read several of his books. I'd also heartily recommend the work of E.P. Sanders. Sanders' book on the historical Jesus is worth its weight in gold, even moreso than anything I've read by Ehrman. He demolishes any possibility of the birth narrative stories in the Gospels having a reliable historical basis (that was my favorite part). Sanders, like Ehrman, also is of the school interpreting Jesus as being an apocalypticist.

He makes some excellent points, many of which have been raised here in various discussions. We know no Jew would have suggested anyone would drink blood, therefore we KNOW that "the last supper" reflected a much later period. But his "200 years later" timeline is not correct. We know that as late as 400 CE (St.) John Chrysostom (in his Christmas sermon to his congregation in Constantinople, (which we have a copy of) STILL was telling them to stop going to synagogue ... ) So they STILL thought of themselves as Jews much later.

[Shadow Fox]

(23-10-2014 12:08 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  

(23-10-2014 11:00 AM)Learner Wrote:   Damn, I got a good, needed laugh out of that! That's hilarious. What movie's that from??

YOU NEVER SAW LIFE OF BRIAN?!!!!


WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

I never seen it either, What is it about?