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08-12-2016, 01:27 AM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(07-12-2016 11:16 PM)xieulong Wrote:  Were there any mentions of Jesus in any historical sources?
I've always brushed Jesus off as some minor cult leader, who was annoying enough to be "dealt with" by the local authorities.

This depends. Personally, having read the likes of Tacitus, Seneca and the rest of that patrician lot, I've not seen anything. Jesus gets mentioned by name many years after his supposed life.

There exists no proof Jesus the Christ ever existed.

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08-12-2016, 06:11 AM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(07-12-2016 11:01 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Well jesus was peaceful but he was saying a sword to divide becuase if the person is causing problems you have to seperate.

Jesus was the one causing the problems. Making whips to attack people you disagree with and demanding that your followers disown their families are not the acts of a peaceful man.

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08-12-2016, 07:20 AM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(17-06-2011 05:16 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  I am sure a careful reading of the gospels reveals that Jesus was a terrorist.

A terrorist is someone who is willing to use violence to achieve political aims.

There is no doubt that in the decades before, during and after Jesus’ time many of the Palestinian Jews, and particularly the poor peasant Jews of Galilee, felt degraded and oppressed by the Romans who had killed or sold into slavery many of their relatives. Many Jewish Galilean peasants were even angry with their more urban fellow Jews who had partially assimilated into the Graeco-Roman culture.
A young pure-blooded Jew like Jesus would have hated the Romans with a passion. He would have regarded Romans as an inferior class of people, not God’s chosen, illegitimate impostors who ruled only by virtue of the fact they had a very powerful and brutal army. We should appreciate that Jesus’ audience were poor, oppressed peasants who suffered under the burdens of taxation, landlessness, unemployment and perceived religious discrimination.

If something lives in the sea, looks like a fish, swims like a fish and gets caught on a hook, that something is a fish. Jesus lived in a time and place that was a hotbed of political unrest, he had the right pedigree to be a zealot, he talked, lived and died like a zealot, so therefore he was a zealot. He was the leader of a group of tough talking Galilean militants, men who were angry that Romans were in charge of God’s holy land. He wanted to free his people from Roman rule and create a glorious Israel. The evidence for this is in the Bible.

If I am right, this is a seriously powerful argument that can be used to help educate Christians about their god/man hero.

If there is enough interest in this thread I will discuss the evidence ( there is too much to release all at once). I will be seriously interested in everyone's thought about this.

It seems the only "power" you have behind your argument, is an appeal to what you think a "pure blooded jew" would be like, which would be as odd as claiming that a pure blooded caucasian would have supported Donald Trump.

How about MLK and Malcom X which of them were truly pure blooded African Americans, the one who endorsed violence, or the one who abstained from it?

Many of your suggestions, or as loosely, if not even more loosely sewn together than your typical conspiracy theory, relying more exclusively from your own imagination, than a conclusion anyone could reasonably draw from the available material at the time.

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08-12-2016, 08:42 AM
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Terrorists use fear as the primary means of bending the will of their target people.

Hell

Case rested.

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08-12-2016, 09:24 PM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(08-12-2016 07:20 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(17-06-2011 05:16 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  I am sure a careful reading of the gospels reveals that Jesus was a terrorist.

A terrorist is someone who is willing to use violence to achieve political aims.

There is no doubt that in the decades before, during and after Jesus’ time many of the Palestinian Jews, and particularly the poor peasant Jews of Galilee, felt degraded and oppressed by the Romans who had killed or sold into slavery many of their relatives. Many Jewish Galilean peasants were even angry with their more urban fellow Jews who had partially assimilated into the Graeco-Roman culture.
A young pure-blooded Jew like Jesus would have hated the Romans with a passion. He would have regarded Romans as an inferior class of people, not God’s chosen, illegitimate impostors who ruled only by virtue of the fact they had a very powerful and brutal army. We should appreciate that Jesus’ audience were poor, oppressed peasants who suffered under the burdens of taxation, landlessness, unemployment and perceived religious discrimination.

If something lives in the sea, looks like a fish, swims like a fish and gets caught on a hook, that something is a fish. Jesus lived in a time and place that was a hotbed of political unrest, he had the right pedigree to be a zealot, he talked, lived and died like a zealot, so therefore he was a zealot. He was the leader of a group of tough talking Galilean militants, men who were angry that Romans were in charge of God’s holy land. He wanted to free his people from Roman rule and create a glorious Israel. The evidence for this is in the Bible.

If I am right, this is a seriously powerful argument that can be used to help educate Christians about their god/man hero.

If there is enough interest in this thread I will discuss the evidence ( there is too much to release all at once). I will be seriously interested in everyone's thought about this.

It seems the only "power" you have behind your argument, is an appeal to what you think a "pure blooded jew" would be like, which would be as odd as claiming that a pure blooded caucasian would have supported Donald Trump.

How about MLK and Malcom X which of them were truly pure blooded African Americans, the one who endorsed violence, or the one who abstained from it?

Many of your suggestions, or as loosely, if not even more loosely sewn together than your typical conspiracy theory, relying more exclusively from your own imagination, than a conclusion anyone could reasonably draw from the available material at the time.

"It seems the only "power" you have behind your argument, is an appeal to what you think a "pure blooded jew" would be like..."


You either haven't read my arguments, or you don't understand them.

If you care to really contribute something other than noise, please address something specific, otherwise piss off.
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08-12-2016, 09:36 PM
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(08-12-2016 06:11 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(07-12-2016 11:01 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Well jesus was peaceful but he was saying a sword to divide becuase if the person is causing problems you have to seperate.

Jesus was the one causing the problems. Making whips to attack people you disagree with and demanding that your followers disown their families are not the acts of a peaceful man.

So nietzche disowned his sister and said all antisemites should get shot knowing she was for anti semitism. he wasn't attacking them he was just saying nonsense to them becuase he thought they didn't deserve the knowledge that he had. If a member is plotting to kill someone would you help them or say I can't associate with you.
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09-12-2016, 06:40 AM
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(08-12-2016 09:36 PM)socialistview Wrote:  So nietzche disowned his sister and said all antisemites should get shot knowing she was for anti semitism.

and the award for non-sequitur of the year goes to...

Quote: he wasn't attacking them he was just saying nonsense to them becuase he thought they didn't deserve the knowledge that he had.

are we back to Jesus now? He did specifically make a whip in order to attack people physically so you are Lying For Jesus™. It is interesting though that you think that it is reasonable for a god supposedly sent to earth to teach people would (a) decide that some did not deserve his knowledge and (b) the best way to handle them would be to speak nonsense. Seems like a pretty fucking petty god to me.

Quote: If a member is plotting to kill someone would you help them or say I can't associate with you.

and here we go off into non-sequitur land again.... personally, I'd probably do something to try to stop it but, then again, I don't base my morality on the rantings of bronze-age semi-nomadic tribesmen.

I do note that your English skills seem a lot better after your couple of weeks away. Your sentences are almost understandable now. Maybe if you took a few years off they'd get even better.....

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09-12-2016, 07:26 AM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(09-12-2016 06:40 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 09:36 PM)socialistview Wrote:  So nietzche disowned his sister and said all antisemites should get shot knowing she was for anti semitism.

and the award for non-sequitur of the year goes to...

Quote: he wasn't attacking them he was just saying nonsense to them becuase he thought they didn't deserve the knowledge that he had.

are we back to Jesus now? He did specifically make a whip in order to attack people physically so you are Lying For Jesus™. It is interesting though that you think that it is reasonable for a god supposedly sent to earth to teach people would (a) decide that some did not deserve his knowledge and (b) the best way to handle them would be to speak nonsense. Seems like a pretty fucking petty god to me.

Quote: If a member is plotting to kill someone would you help them or say I can't associate with you.

and here we go off into non-sequitur land again.... personally, I'd probably do something to try to stop it but, then again, I don't base my morality on the rantings of bronze-age semi-nomadic tribesmen.

I do note that your English skills seem a lot better after your couple of weeks away. Your sentences are almost understandable now. Maybe if you took a few years off they'd get even better.....
I have a theory about the English thing, I think it's quite possible that the poor English is a cover perhaps for a previous member who was banned, I've noticed how he goes from barely understandable sentences to almost perfect English and back again, it just a theory of course but a plausible one I think.
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09-12-2016, 07:32 AM
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(09-12-2016 07:26 AM)adey67 Wrote:  I have a theory about the English thing, I think it's quite possible that the poor English is a cover perhaps for a previous member who was banned, I've noticed how he goes from barely understandable sentences to almost perfect English and back again, it just a theory of course but a plausible one I think.

Nah. Borges is not a troll. He's just batshit bonkers. One of the reasons he said he came and stays here is to improve his English. I personally haven't noticed it yet.

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09-12-2016, 07:32 AM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(08-12-2016 01:27 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(07-12-2016 11:16 PM)xieulong Wrote:  Were there any mentions of Jesus in any historical sources?
I've always brushed Jesus off as some minor cult leader, who was annoying enough to be "dealt with" by the local authorities.

This depends. Personally, having read the likes of Tacitus, Seneca and the rest of that patrician lot, I've not seen anything. Jesus gets mentioned by name many years after his supposed life.

There exists no proof Jesus the Christ ever existed.

Although there are countless duplicates of him before and after.

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