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12-12-2016, 05:24 PM (This post was last modified: 12-12-2016 11:15 PM by Minimalist.)
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
Quote:I didn't see you talk that way to the person who said He was a terrorist.

Because it isn't important. Ehrman sees him as an apocalyptic preacher. Aslan sees him as a zealot. J. D Crossan calls him a "peasant with an attitude." Geza Vermes sees him as a charismatic teacher and healer. G. Riley calls him a Hellensitic style hero.... and on and on.

Your boy jesus is a Rorschach test. Anyone can see whatever the fuck they want to see. This is a significant blow against historicity.

He could have been a camel shit shoveler on the caravan route to China or a bouncer at a local tavern. Or most likely, he was an invention who was made to be whatever the group that eventually won out wanted him to be.

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12-12-2016, 06:11 PM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(11-12-2016 10:29 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Mabe the romans feared jesus's peaceful movement and executed for that and then destroy all documents about him.

To which Romans do you refer?

The idea that the empire of Rome could view a peaceful movement as dangerous, when there was great danger on some of the borders where the legions had to be used is so out of step with reality as to be unimaginable.

So, which emperor before Trajan heard a report from Pliny, actually knew anything about xians at all?

Tiberius, the emperor who vanquished the German tribes???

Gaius, who seems to have been too busy partying?

Claudius, who conquered Britania?

Nero, who valued art, civilization and education so highly he freed Greece?

Forget the emperors in between for a second. They matter little. We shall jump to Vespasian.

Vespasian and his sons who defeated the Jews?

The level of ignorance used as debate is insulting. You are on the WEB. Please use it. Do some study.

Utter intellectual laziness at its worst!

(12-12-2016 12:30 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Well those xtians died harshly for believing that jesus died and rose again.

Are you talking about the fanatics Pliny tried to pardon, but who were so fanatical they chose death instead?

Christianity is a death cult. As is Islam. People who believe death to be a gateway to paradise may not be right in the head.

Before introducing a subject into a debate, it helps to understand said subject. In this case Rome.

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12-12-2016, 07:25 PM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(12-12-2016 02:25 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(12-12-2016 12:30 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Well those xtians died harshly for believing that jesus died and rose again.

No. This is nonsense. Read some real history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Persecution
Don't believe what they tell you in church.

So the apostles didn't die who was with jesus and saw jesus.
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12-12-2016, 07:32 PM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
Well herod tried to kill jesus for his rule. Pilate took orders from the emperor Tiberius. The jews had the same speculation that he would ruin everything so why would it be so hard to believe that they destroyed all evidence of him so people wouldn't follow him.
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12-12-2016, 09:38 PM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(12-12-2016 07:25 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(12-12-2016 02:25 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  No. This is nonsense. Read some real history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Persecution
Don't believe what they tell you in church.

So the apostles didn't die who was with jesus and saw jesus.


We only know for sure what happened to one apostle...and that was James...he was never a Christian...he was killed circa 60 CE because he was a political threat to the chief priest.

I challenge you to find one reliable, definitive historical fact about the deaths of any of the other "apostles." Good luck with that...you will be looking a long time and will find nothing concrete.
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12-12-2016, 09:45 PM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(12-12-2016 07:32 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Well herod tried to kill jesus for his rule. Pilate took orders from the emperor Tiberius. The jews had the same speculation that he would ruin everything so why would it be so hard to believe that they destroyed all evidence of him so people wouldn't follow him.

Oh really?

Is this while Tiberius was on Capris? Was it Sejanus who gave certain orders? Another official? A slave?

You have proof of this destruction of the person who was not even a citizen? If Jesus existed, at that time he was a non entity.

Or are you making a wild assertion?

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12-12-2016, 09:46 PM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(12-12-2016 07:32 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Well herod tried to kill jesus for his rule. Pilate took orders from the emperor Tiberius. The jews had the same speculation that he would ruin everything so why would it be so hard to believe that they destroyed all evidence of him so people wouldn't follow him.

Let's see some proof that "the Jews speculated he would ruin everything''.
They were already occupied. Whatever originated the "Way" cult, (what became Christianity) the original followers were JEWS, and remained so for generations. At the end of the 1st Century, the High Priest required the "Expulsion Curses" be read in the synagogues as the members of the Way were STILL very much JEWS and practicing Judaism. They were just another sub-sect of Judaism.

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12-12-2016, 09:54 PM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
Yes till paul told jesus brother james to spread it out to the gentiles.
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12-12-2016, 11:20 PM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
Quote:Are you talking about the fanatics Pliny tried to pardon, but who were so fanatical they chose death instead?

Even Pliny notes that many who:

Quote:Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ--none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do--these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.


Also of note - Pliny never heard of any fucker named "jesus."

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13-12-2016, 07:16 AM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(11-12-2016 04:30 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 03:56 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Militant? Perhaps. A terrorist? I think not. Jesus in the gospels didn't advocate the use of violence for political gain, in particular violence for the sake of the overthrow of Rome. He's more an MLK than a Malcolm X.

His early followers, weren't particularly prone to endorsing violence either.

The historical evidence doesn't support your particular revisionism.

So you keep saying. Yet, once again, you are not addressing any specifics of my argument. I have written a lot as to why this character was likely militant, and you haven't addressed those arguments specifically, so please give reasons for your opinion, not just your opinion, and we can discuss.

Your specific argument is that "No pure blooded Jew would have acted like Jesus did in the gospels", how "pure blooded jews" would have reacted given certain historical predicaments.

Your argument is weak because of the premise here, the claim that all pure blooded jews would have reacted the same way given a certain historical/political predicament. Which is false, as the claim that pure blooded African Americans would not have behaved like Martin Luther King, and his adherents. Not to mention the many pure blooded jewish christians who clearly didn't advocate violence against Rome. In fact out of the numerous issues the Romans had with the followers of Jesus, violence against Rome wasn't one of them.

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