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13-12-2016, 08:00 AM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(13-12-2016 07:16 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Your specific argument is that "No pure blooded Jew would have acted like Jesus did in the gospels", how "pure blooded jews" would have reacted given certain historical predicaments.

Your argument is weak bla bla bla ......

You can be damn sure, no Jew would have suggested that anyone eat his body and drink blood.

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13-12-2016, 03:11 PM (This post was last modified: 13-12-2016 05:46 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(13-12-2016 07:16 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(11-12-2016 04:30 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  So you keep saying. Yet, once again, you are not addressing any specifics of my argument. I have written a lot as to why this character was likely militant, and you haven't addressed those arguments specifically, so please give reasons for your opinion, not just your opinion, and we can discuss.

Your specific argument is that "No pure blooded Jew would have acted like Jesus did in the gospels", how "pure blooded jews" would have reacted given certain historical predicaments.

Your argument is weak because of the premise here, the claim that all pure blooded jews would have reacted the same way given a certain historical/political predicament. Which is false, as the claim that pure blooded African Americans would not have behaved like Martin Luther King, and his adherents. Not to mention the many pure blooded jewish christians who clearly didn't advocate violence against Rome. In fact out of the numerous issues the Romans had with the followers of Jesus, violence against Rome wasn't one of them.

I've just given you a few thousand words of reasoning why, in fact, the followers of Jesus were plotting violence against Rome. Once again, it appears you haven't read or understood my argument, as you haven't addressed any of the specifics of my argument.

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"many pure blooded jewish christians who clearly didn't advocate violence against Rome."

You clearly don't understand the history. Jesus, if he existed, was a Jew. James, his brother was a Jew. All of Jesus' followers were Jews. They were Nazarenes. They opposed Rome. None of them were Christians. Christianity was something else invented by St Paul and others. Please read that again. if you don't believe me just do some research for yourself.
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13-12-2016, 05:49 PM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(12-12-2016 07:25 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(12-12-2016 02:25 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  No. This is nonsense. Read some real history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Persecution
Don't believe what they tell you in church.

So the apostles didn't die who was with jesus and saw jesus.

Even if English is your second language you need to do better than this.
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14-12-2016, 07:35 AM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(13-12-2016 08:00 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You can be damn sure, no Jew would have suggested that anyone eat his body and drink blood.

Clearly Paul had no problem with it.

Can I be damn sure that no black man would ever vote for Trump?

How about no Jew would refuse to haggle on price?

How about no Christian would ever support Hitler? Or the KKK?

Or no American would ever be an atheist?

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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14-12-2016, 07:43 AM (This post was last modified: 14-12-2016 07:51 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(13-12-2016 03:11 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  You clearly don't understand the history. Jesus, if he existed, was a Jew. James, his brother was a Jew. All of Jesus' followers were Jews. They were Nazarenes. They opposed Rome. None of them were Christians. Christianity was something else invented by St Paul and others. Please read that again. if you don't believe me just do some research for yourself.

None of the early followers of Jesus (whether you want to call them Christians are not) advocated violence against Rome, not James, not Jesus, no one.

You're just stretching here, when you have very little to no evidence in support of your suggestion.

And just to confront one of your distortions of scripture:

" I think he was campaigning to start a war. Anyone who stood in his way became the enemy. He said
“But as for my enemies who did not want me for their king, bring them here and execute them in my presence.” (Luke 19:27 NJB). "

The Luke 19, passage is part of a parable, with a clear historical analogy, which would have been obvious to his audience at the time but maybe not us. Luke's Jesus is not referring to himself as the king in parable, but alluding to Herod Archelaus.

Luke 19 relevant passages of the parable: ", “A nobleman went off to a distant country to obtain the kingship for himself and then to return.....
His fellow citizens, however, despised him and sent a delegation after him to announce, ‘We do not want this man to be our king."

Jesus was clearly alluding to this historical event in the parable:

"After the death of Herod the Great, his son Archelaus traveled to Rome to receive the title of king. A delegation of Jews appeared in Rome before Caesar Augustus to oppose the request of Archelaus. Although not given the title of king, Archelaus was made ruler over Judea and Samaria."

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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14-12-2016, 09:05 AM (This post was last modified: 14-12-2016 09:10 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(14-12-2016 07:35 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(13-12-2016 08:00 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You can be damn sure, no Jew would have suggested that anyone eat his body and drink blood.

Clearly Paul had no problem with it.

Can I be damn sure that no black man would ever vote for Trump?

How about no Jew would refuse to haggle on price?

How about no Christian would ever support Hitler? Or the KKK?

Or no American would ever be an atheist?

All totally irrelevant. What lame nonsense. I see you can make up any bullshit to try to reconcile the nonsense you believe in.
Now all you have to do is prove that saying "the cup of the Lord" actually meant drinking his blood, and that it actually came from Paul. Have fun.
You have no clue what the meme named "Paul" had a problem with or did not have a problem with.

Why in hell would the early Christians have had such huge fights over actually keeping the Jewish law if they were already substantially participating in the very "abominations" they were taught not to engage in, AND why would the "abomination of desolation" SO very important to Jewish Apocalyptics (see the speeches of the 7 sons of Hannah) and the avoidance of that, made them Jewish heroes, yet these "Jews" saw no problem in totally denying their own culture. Clearly it's all made up many many many decades later by non-Jews.

Something is VERY rotten in Denmark.

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14-12-2016, 09:59 AM (This post was last modified: 14-12-2016 10:04 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(14-12-2016 09:05 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  .
Now all you have to do is prove that saying "the cup of the Lord" actually meant drinking his blood, and that it actually came from Paul. [/quote}

Sure, 1 Corinthians 11:23-25:

" For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”"

Corinthians is one of the authentic Pauline epistles, and the argument that this is interpolation because no Jew would say something like this, is weak one.

Quote:You have no clue what the meme named "Paul" had a problem with or did not have a problem with.

Except his own words, lol.

[quote]Why in hell would the early Christians have had such huge fights over actually keeping the Jewish law if they were already substantially participating in the very "abominations" they were taught not to engage in, AND why would the "abomination of desolation" SO very important to Jewish Apocalyptics (see the speeches of the 7 sons of Hannah) and the avoidance of that, made them Jewish heroes, yet these "Jews" saw no problem in totally denying their own culture. Clearly it's all made up many many many decades later by non-Jews.

People deny their own culture all the time. Uncle toms. Black Republicans, American Atheists. And there was no single agreed upon conception of what it meant to be Jewish at the time of Jesus, but a great deal of diversity, particular in a political climate not locked out from a variety of external influences. Clearly some jews at the time had no problem harmonizing greek and jewish religious idea, such as Philo. Perhaps his jew card should have been revoked?

So your argument, that no Jew, in a socio-political setting exposed to variety of different influence, greek/roman influences, would have incorporated such influences into their own particular views, doesn't hold up.

Secondly no one actually engaged in cannablism, they incorporated the significance of flesh and blood, into their communion ritual, as symbolic representation of Christ himself. And judging that this was an early belief, and that no real controversy about it is indicated in any of our early writings, it seems it was more offensive to you, than to early jews.

Not mention out of all the disputes the early followers of Jesus had amongst each other, the lord supper ritual, seemed to be among them? You would think if was as controversial as you make it out to be, that we'd expect to see rifts about is, as we do when it comes to circumcision, or eating pork.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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14-12-2016, 10:01 AM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(13-12-2016 08:00 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You can be damn sure, no Jew would have suggested that anyone eat his body and drink blood.

I'm pretty sure Mary wouldn't mind havin' a little Jesus to go:
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...ary-satire

I'm jus' sain'...

(13-12-2016 08:00 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Something is VERY rotten in Denmark.

I couldn't agree more.
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14-12-2016, 10:49 AM
RE: Jesus was a terrorist!
(14-12-2016 10:01 AM)fhqwhgads Wrote:  
(13-12-2016 08:00 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You can be damn sure, no Jew would have suggested that anyone eat his body and drink blood.

I'm pretty sure Mary wouldn't mind havin' a little Jesus to go:
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...ary-satire

I'm jus' sain'...

(13-12-2016 08:00 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Something is VERY rotten in Denmark.

I couldn't agree more.
Whaat Shocking I thought the Danish were all smart and secular and sensible..... Now I'm disappointedSad
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14-12-2016, 12:26 PM
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British and Danish research results in a preteens overy frozen and then reimplanted 15 years later to provide viable eggs for ivf resulting in successful birth of a son, faith restored NO god required. Faith in Danish secular scientific values restored
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