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04-09-2017, 09:32 AM
RE: Jesuss
(31-08-2017 10:41 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(31-08-2017 08:52 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  How would you know it never happened? You don't know that, you're just assuming.

No.

the lord did not lead israel by the shorter way but through the desert, around to the promised land. god said, they have to fight? so they might change their minds and go back to egypt. the israelites were dressed for battle.
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04-09-2017, 09:40 AM
RE: Jesuss
(04-09-2017 09:32 AM)keepy Wrote:  the lord did not lead israel by the shorter way but through the desert, around to the promised land. god said, they have to fight? so they might change their minds and go back to egypt. the israelites were dressed for battle.
Ok re: the above -

The Israelites wondered the desert....for 40 years...dressed for battle ?! Blink Yeah, no I think. I'm not entirly sure, but I don't think it'd take 40 years, on foot, to walk around that area. Plus God is a bit of a douchebag for making them do that.

Angel: "God, your almighty-ness...
God: YES
Angel: The Israelite's are praying to know which way to go. There are two options: 1) down a straight road that takes like a month tops or 2) a 40+ year walk through a bone dry desert. I'll tell them it'll be Number 1 obviously then?
God: NO
Angel: What?! why, going the other way is just absurd, there is no water, no food...
God: BE QUIET YOU. WHO IS THE ALMIGHTY HERE, YOU OR ME? THEY CAN WANDER THE DESERT, WHERE I WILL GIVE THEM THE GIANT TABLETS OF STONE...
Angel: Bloody hell, just give them a scroll...
God: I'LL DO WHATEVER I LIKE, I'M GOD....NOW GO GET ME A COFFEE

And also. God said "they have to fight?", as in a response to somebody else talking? Who was he talking too, his wife?

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04-09-2017, 05:09 PM
RE: Jesuss
(28-08-2017 07:43 PM)Astreja Wrote:  Keepy, answer the following question as if your eternal salvation depended on it -- A simple and truthful yes or no, please.

Are you yourself, or do you know, the poster known as "socialistview"?

(04-09-2017 09:04 AM)keepy Wrote:  someone asked, what is eternal life, and jesus answered, the knowledge of my father and me. i am always trying to learn more about jesus, and you?

As far as I am concerned, and as far as I have been able to ascertain through analysis of the available materials, Jesus is either a fictional character or a mythologized version of a real person who has been dead for about 2000 years.

I do not believe in eternal life, and more importantly, I do not want eternal life.

(Oh, and you failed to answer my question regarding your relationship, if any, to socialistview. No eternal life for you! Big Grin)

I'm sorry, but your beliefs are much too silly to take seriously. Got anything else we can discuss?
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04-09-2017, 06:22 PM (This post was last modified: 04-09-2017 06:25 PM by WhiskeyDebates.)
RE: Jesuss
(04-09-2017 09:32 AM)keepy Wrote:  
(31-08-2017 10:41 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  No.

the lord did not lead israel by the shorter way but through the desert, around to the promised land. god said, they have to fight? so they might change their minds and go back to egypt. the israelites were dressed for battle.

Ok where to start:

1.) No he did not, the Jews were never enslaved in Egypt a view held by every single competent historian and archeologist.

2.) If it was true then it's the story of a bunch of people putting their faith in god and it takes him 40 YEARS to lead them across a strip of desert that takes about 6 DAYS to cross. That god...is an idiot.

3.) Dressed for battle how? Did the Egyptians arm and armour them? Where did they gear the gear to be "dressed for battle"? They didn't even have the brains to bring food yet they had Armour and weapons?

4.) Why were they dressed for battle in a Barron wasteland? They Egyptian army just got wiped the fuck out. Who are they expecting to have to fight in a desert?

5.) Not that it would matter anyway. You know how many soldiers the Israelis would have had? Zero. How many people that have any experience in warfare? Zero. How many have any idea about unit formations, tactics, or overall strategy? Zero. Probably none of them have ever held a sword or a spear in their life, they have no tools to repair or maintain their weapons and armour or to forge new ones. No mounted cav, no weapon specialists, no one to train anyone on the usage of the weapons.

Had they actually been in a desert with the conditions and background the Bible describes they would have all died and even if they hadn't they would have left that desert with a generation of fighters with no training, no experience, badly damaged weapons if they had any weapons. They couldn't even have made bows or arrows in the desert. They would have been cut down by any half competent force a 10th of their number, 20th if that army was armed with half decent archers.

Shitty fiction is shitty fiction.

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04-09-2017, 06:29 PM
RE: Jesuss
Whiskey conveniently ignores the fact that they had manna, with which they could...oh fuck it nevermind.
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04-09-2017, 06:35 PM
RE: Jesuss
(04-09-2017 06:29 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  Whiskey conveniently ignores the fact that they had manna, with which they could...oh fuck it nevermind.

Not at all! That kinda ties into the point that they were so stupid they didn't bother to bring food so god had to make food rain from the sky. Don't think that would have worked out so well for them if god decided they needed spears lol

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04-09-2017, 06:37 PM
RE: Jesuss
(04-09-2017 06:35 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 06:29 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  Whiskey conveniently ignores the fact that they had manna, with which they could...oh fuck it nevermind.

Not at all! That kinda ties into the point that they were so stupid they didn't bother to bring food so god had to make food rain from the sky. Don't think that would have worked out so well for them if god decided they needed spears lol

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04-09-2017, 06:46 PM
RE: Jesuss
(04-09-2017 06:35 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 06:29 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  Whiskey conveniently ignores the fact that they had manna, with which they could...oh fuck it nevermind.

Not at all! That kinda ties into the point that they were so stupid they didn't bother to bring food so god had to make food rain from the sky. Don't think that would have worked out so well for them if god decided they needed spears lol

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04-09-2017, 06:48 PM
RE: Jesuss
(04-09-2017 06:22 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 09:32 AM)keepy Wrote:  the lord did not lead israel by the shorter way but through the desert, around to the promised land. god said, they have to fight? so they might change their minds and go back to egypt. the israelites were dressed for battle.

Ok where to start:

1.) No he did not, the Jews were never enslaved in Egypt a view held by every single competent historian and archeologist.

2.) If it was true then it's the story of a bunch of people putting their faith in god and it takes him 40 YEARS to lead them across a strip of desert that takes about 6 DAYS to cross. That god...is an idiot.

3.) Dressed for battle how? Did the Egyptians arm and armour them? Where did they gear the gear to be "dressed for battle"? They didn't even have the brains to bring food yet they had Armour and weapons?

4.) Why were they dressed for battle in a Barron wasteland? They Egyptian army just got wiped the fuck out. Who are they expecting to have to fight in a desert?

5.) Not that it would matter anyway. You know how many soldiers the Israelis would have had? Zero. How many people that have any experience in warfare? Zero. How many have any idea about unit formations, tactics, or overall strategy? Zero. Probably none of them have ever held a sword or a spear in their life, they have no tools to repair or maintain their weapons and armour or to forge new ones. No mounted cav, no weapon specialists, no one to train anyone on the usage of the weapons.

Had they actually been in a desert with the conditions and background the Bible describes they would have all died and even if they hadn't they would have left that desert with a generation of fighters with no training, no experience, badly damaged weapons if they had any weapons. They couldn't even have made bows or arrows in the desert. They would have been cut down by any half competent force a 10th of their number, 20th if that army was armed with half decent archers.

Shitty fiction is shitty fiction.

The did not wander for 40 years. Most of that time, about 36 years, they were supposedly camped out at Kadesh-Barnea. According to Numbers, when they left Egypt, there were 600,000 men between ages of 20 and 45 who could wield the sword.
This would be the largest army in the Near East at that time, not equalled until the Persians invaded Greece many centuries later. Exodus claims the Israelites out numbered the Egyptians 2 to 1. This whole tall tale is a bunch of outrageous malarkey.

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04-09-2017, 07:27 PM
RE: Jesuss
(04-09-2017 09:13 AM)keepy Wrote:  do not break any of the bones. who wants to celebrate Passover must have all the males of his household circumcised, and join in the festival.

And the light shone upon the faces of the believers. They cried, "Show us the truth and the way," and their voices did echo well into night. A great voice called forth from the skies saying, "I shall not, for you do not seek pure truth." So wandered they did until they found the dark waters and fell into them.
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