Jewish-Born Clerics Helped Push Vatican II Reforms
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05-08-2012, 07:18 PM
Jewish-Born Clerics Helped Push Vatican II Reforms
An interesting article on history related to Vatican II http://forward.com/articles/159955/conve...he-church/

"If history was a series of trials sent to punish the Jews for failing to accept Christ, then what meaning did Auschwitz have? Were the Nazis instruments of God’s will, meant to make the Jews finally turn to Christ? To answer yes to this question was obscene, but it was the only answer Catholic theology provided as of 1945. In the years that followed, the converts had to stage a revolution in a church that claimed to be unchanging. They did so by shifting church teaching to Paul’s letter to the Romans, chapters 9–11, where the Apostle, without speaking of baptism or conversion, proclaims that the Jews remain “beloved of God” and that “all Israel will be saved.”
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05-08-2012, 08:09 PM (This post was last modified: 05-08-2012 09:35 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Jewish-Born Clerics Helped Push Vatican II Reforms
(05-08-2012 07:18 PM)Jeff Wrote:  An interesting article on history related to Vatican II http://forward.com/articles/159955/conve...he-church/

"If history was a series of trials sent to punish the Jews for failing to accept Christ, then what meaning did Auschwitz have? Were the Nazis instruments of God’s will, meant to make the Jews finally turn to Christ? To answer yes to this question was obscene, but it was the only answer Catholic theology provided as of 1945. In the years that followed, the converts had to stage a revolution in a church that claimed to be unchanging. They did so by shifting church teaching to Paul’s letter to the Romans, chapters 9–11, where the Apostle, without speaking of baptism or conversion, proclaims that the Jews remain “beloved of God” and that “all Israel will be saved.”

But for centuries, until John XXXIII, himself, stood up finally, on Good Friday, somewhere in the early 60's and stopped the service, when the cardinal celebrant ("accidentally" they now say, but my older relatives say no, it had not been changed yet), used the old "perfidia Judeorum" words, they were still the commonly used words, ("faithless Jews"), every year in Holy Week. I heard Benny has again changed the revision of Vatican II, to match the quote from Romans, this past year.

http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/6A2.PDF
http://www.cfnews.org/goodfriday.htm
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/13_JohnXXIII.pdf

In the old (Tridentine) Roman Missal, the word, "perfidia", which translated, really means "faithless", was 'transliterated' in some versions, instead to "perfideous", with it's much more negative tone. I think some versions also translated it as "treacherous", maybe even "murderous".
I suppose there are some of those still laying around somewhere. Anti-semitism was big in the RC church, not all that long ago.

I'm looking for a quote of John XXXIII, which goes something like, "wouldn't it be ironic if man was looking for god, and instead found the church".... or something like that.
I like the one best when he said "There are three ways a man can be ruined : women, gambling, and farming. My father chose the most boring of the three".

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein
Those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music - Friedrich Nietzsche
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