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23-08-2015, 08:41 PM
RE: Josh Duggar had an Ashley Madision Account
(23-08-2015 08:04 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 07:57 PM)beeglez Wrote:  

Tell me, how was Josh chaste and pure? What with molesting children and all.

Anna may have been but to say Josh was is an out and out lie.


He didn't have sex or even kiss until marriage. As far as his family was concerned, he was forgiven by god, so he was pure. I'm not discounting the molestation as irrelevant. He should have been properly treated and/or punished. He knew it was wrong, and asked for help. His parents failed him and his victims.
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23-08-2015, 08:52 PM
RE: Josh Duggar had an Ashley Madision Account
(23-08-2015 08:41 PM)beeglez Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 08:04 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Tell me, how was Josh chaste and pure? What with molesting children and all.

Anna may have been but to say Josh was is an out and out lie.


He didn't have sex or even kiss until marriage. As far as his family was concerned, he was forgiven by god, so he was pure. I'm not discounting the molestation as irrelevant. He should have been properly treated and/or punished. He knew it was wrong, and asked for help. His parents failed him and his victims.

That's utter bullshit. He is anything but pure. He's an incestuous child molester. You are discounting what he did.

Yes, he should have been properly treated but that doesn't negate his actions.

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23-08-2015, 09:03 PM
RE: Josh Duggar had an Ashley Madision Account
Companies are now offering search facilities to see if your data was leaked.

The moment you search though they add your email address to their blackmail list.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/23/...t_suicide/

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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23-08-2015, 09:13 PM
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Let's all try to remember had he been sent to a real treatment program the police would have been called waaaaaay before Oprah's people turned them in (a few years later) obviously someone felt strongly enough to tip off the producers that justice hadn't been served at all.

The cop who spoke to him and gave him that talk (later convicted of child porn and serving time) was also a mandatory reporter (just like any therapist or counselor would have been).

The family (cough) didn't send him (or the victims) to anything like that. If he did go, he would have had to lie to the therapist/counselor.

To be honest, if Jim Bob did even tell the church elders about it all (as he claimed to have done) they are manditory reporters as well (all clergy, doctors, teachers, cops, counselors etc).

This whole thing just stinks. There's a bunch of questions that should be asked about what did and didn't happen and how the system truly failed the victims (including his own sisters -- even if they don't believe it was that terrible).


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23-08-2015, 09:27 PM (This post was last modified: 23-08-2015 09:32 PM by Nurse.)
RE: Josh Duggar had an Ashley Madision Account
I feel absolutely terrible for his wife. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to be in her position. Raised to remain subservient, and then be publicially humiliated and find out the "good, godly man" you married molested his sisters and neighbors. Raised that divorce is a sin against God, and find out your husband is a cheating bastard. The guilt and shame women are often made to feel in this culture - that it's the woman's fault the husband strayed because he wasn't getting what he needed at home...fuck. And then, to top it off, four children under the age of five. I'd be terrified thinking "Where do I go from here?" That poor woman. I'd feel so trapped.


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23-08-2015, 09:27 PM
RE: Josh Duggar had an Ashley Madision Account
(20-08-2015 10:45 AM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  My thoughts based on my ideals of morality.
1. The people responsible for the Ashley Madison website are morally deplorable. Selling a service explicitly designed to facilitate cheating on one’s spouse would fail any business ethics test I’ve ever heard of.
2. The actions of people responsible for the Ashley Madison data hack and information leak are morally deplorable. Their actions were also illegal. If identified they should be prosecuted in a court of law and punished as allowed by the law if found guilty.
3. People in supposedly committed relationships that use the Ashley Madison service to cheat on their significant others are exercising less than stellar morals.
4. Josh Duggar is a hypocritical piece of shit. His membership on the Ashley Madison site while serving as a board member of FRC borders on a fucking crime against humanity.
5. Jared Fogle is another piece of shit that should have his testicles smashed into jelly with a hammer before being allowed to reenter society.

1. Yup
2. Yup and yup. Just because they exposed an illegal act isn't good enough, since they used illegal means.
3. Yup
4. Yup, but the whole FRC is a problem in and of its hypocritical self.
5. I have a 5 pound copper dead-blow hammer that you could use. But I wouldn't want it back unless you smelted it down first, to get the cooties off it.
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23-08-2015, 09:34 PM
RE: Josh Duggar had an Ashley Madision Account
(23-08-2015 08:52 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 08:41 PM)beeglez Wrote:  He didn't have sex or even kiss until marriage. As far as his family was concerned, he was forgiven by god, so he was pure. I'm not discounting the molestation as irrelevant. He should have been properly treated and/or punished. He knew it was wrong, and asked for help. His parents failed him and his victims.

That's utter bullshit. He is anything but pure. He's an incestuous child molester. You are discounting what he did.


Please go back and read my entire original post. My point to describe all the ways his upbringing and the entire purity culture are risk factors for sexual dysfunction, not just for the Duggar family, but for everyone raised that way. I have read a tremendous amount on the subject. I did not say that I PERONALLY thought he was pure, nor that I thought being pure was necessary. I said that Anna was pure, and then later, clarified that as far as the DUGGARS were concerned, he was forgiven and pure, and thus, according to their beliefs, the marriage should have been blessed by god and they should have lived happily ever after. I NEVER discounted what he did.
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23-08-2015, 09:36 PM
RE: Josh Duggar had an Ashley Madision Account
(23-08-2015 09:27 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I feel absolutely terrible for his wife. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to be in her position. Raised to remain subservient, and then be publicially humiliated and find out the "good, godly man" you married molested his sisters and neighbors. Raised that divorce is a sin against God, and find out your husband is a cheating bastard. The guilt and shame women are often made to feel in this culture - that it's the woman's fault the husband strayed because he wasn't getting what we needed at home...fuck. And then, to top it off, four children under the age of five. I'd be terrified thinking "Where do I go from here?" That poor woman. I'd feel so trapped.

Not like I think it is all that great, but we could hope that that trauma would lead his wife to do some serious questioning of her religious belief, and maybe ask for help from outside that community. But when I consider that her family is nationally observed, what a mess that situation is...and what wasn't her husband getting at home, with all those kids of their own?!?

I really don't understand this. I've been married to the same woman for 34 years (first marriage), and can't see stepping out on that, and haven't in that time.
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23-08-2015, 09:40 PM
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(23-08-2015 09:36 PM)Fireball Wrote:  
(23-08-2015 09:27 PM)Nurse Wrote:  I feel absolutely terrible for his wife. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to be in her position. Raised to remain subservient, and then be publicially humiliated and find out the "good, godly man" you married molested his sisters and neighbors. Raised that divorce is a sin against God, and find out your husband is a cheating bastard. The guilt and shame women are often made to feel in this culture - that it's the woman's fault the husband strayed because he wasn't getting what we needed at home...fuck. And then, to top it off, four children under the age of five. I'd be terrified thinking "Where do I go from here?" That poor woman. I'd feel so trapped.

Not like I think it is all that great, but we could hope that that trauma would lead his wife to do some serious questioning of her religious belief, and maybe ask for help from outside that community. But when I consider that her family is nationally observed, what a mess that situation is...and what wasn't her husband getting at home, with all those kids of their own?!?

I really don't understand this. I've been married to the same woman for 34 years (first marriage), and can't see stepping out on that, and haven't in that time.

His wife is likely heavily indoctrinated and probably blaming herself or willing to take some of his burden that she wasn't "enough" for him.

It's a totally fucked up way to live...but these quiver types (even if they claim not to be one) all believe that way. It's a fucking cult to be sure.


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24-08-2015, 09:13 AM
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I do feel bad for his wife. She has no education, no means by which to go out on her own, probably few funds. And yet it is she who will bear the greatest burden - of NOT being a victim, according to the family:

There Is No Victim

Treat them like a mushroom - in the dark and covered with shit - and this is what you get. Poor girl has no experience or means with which to be out on her own, and she's saddled with 4 kids.

Josh can go fuck himself and take Mommy and Daddy with him.

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