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29-06-2016, 12:56 PM
Judgement on sextortion victims? wtf?
Quick definition for those who don't know. Sextortion is like extortion but with sex. So let's say someone has sent sexy pics of themselves and now the other party blackmails them to give them something (usually money) or else they will make the picture public.

So at work (I work for a website), I receive emails from victims, and then I investigate and ban a user if needed.
The vast VAST majority of victims writing in to me are males.
Today I had a conversation with two (female) coworkers about this (they have to do this as well) and I was shocked at what they had to say about the victims but after trying to calmly make a case, and them both almost going on a rant, I decided to drop it.

Basically what they had to say was that those victims are perverts. And it is so perverted to have camsex (for example) and it isn't good and it is ugly and whatnot. And basically did a lot of victimblaming. They were acting like those men forced themselves on the sextortionists, completely forgetting how sextortion is a business and victims are baited into it.

I personally would NEVER judge a man for sexting or camsex etc as long as both parties consent.
I mean hell, have you never sent anything kinky, be it a pic or a text, to someone (boyfriend, wife, etc)?
Everybody has their urges or kinks or just want some harmless fun with like-minded people. Some people are just simply very lonely and so they look if they can have this type of fun online. I think it is all valid. Again, it is fine as long as both parties consent. I want to really hammer that one in > consent. The unsolicited dick pics are a completely different story.

So let's say a guy is trying to find a girl to have some erotic online fun. He finds one. They have some fun. Then she starts blackmailing him "Hey I made a video of this and if you don't pay me 5000 Euro, I will send this video to your whole friend list on <insert whatever network>"
Sextortion is a big business for many women and also for many men. There are, by now, bots out with pre-recorded bits of erotica. It is interactive, so by the press of a button, the person behind it can make smooth things like wave in the camera or smile or say a thing etc.
So a victim will only know when it is already too late.

So I do not understand the victim blaming. Basically saying that he deserves this or it's his own fault.
Sure the only thing I can say is, if you send sexy things over the internet or do camsex, you have to understand that the other side can easily screen capture everything. But understanding that doesn't make it any better. The sextortionist is still an asshole and doing something illegal.

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29-06-2016, 01:18 PM
RE: Judgement on sextortion victims? wtf?
Totally agree with you. I was surprised that victims are largely men but then i remembered what I'm like when I'm horny Tongue

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29-06-2016, 01:54 PM
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(29-06-2016 12:56 PM)Leela Wrote:  Quick definition for those who don't know. Sextortion is like extortion but with sex. So let's say someone has sent sexy pics of themselves and now the other party blackmails them to give them something (usually money) or else they will make the picture public.

So at work (I work for a website), I receive emails from victims, and then I investigate and ban a user if needed.
The vast VAST majority of victims writing in to me are males.
Today I had a conversation with two (female) coworkers about this (they have to do this as well) and I was shocked at what they had to say about the victims but after trying to calmly make a case, and them both almost going on a rant, I decided to drop it.

Basically what they had to say was that those victims are perverts. And it is so perverted to have camsex (for example) and it isn't good and it is ugly and whatnot. And basically did a lot of victimblaming. They were acting like those men forced themselves on the sextortionists, completely forgetting how sextortion is a business and victims are baited into it.

I personally would NEVER judge a man for sexting or camsex etc as long as both parties consent.
I mean hell, have you never sent anything kinky, be it a pic or a text, to someone (boyfriend, wife, etc)?
Everybody has their urges or kinks or just want some harmless fun with like-minded people. Some people are just simply very lonely and so they look if they can have this type of fun online. I think it is all valid. Again, it is fine as long as both parties consent. I want to really hammer that one in > consent. The unsolicited dick pics are a completely different story.

So let's say a guy is trying to find a girl to have some erotic online fun. He finds one. They have some fun. Then she starts blackmailing him "Hey I made a video of this and if you don't pay me 5000 Euro, I will send this video to your whole friend list on <insert whatever network>"
Sextortion is a big business for many women and also for many men. There are, by now, bots out with pre-recorded bits of erotica. It is interactive, so by the press of a button, the person behind it can make smooth things like wave in the camera or smile or say a thing etc.
So a victim will only know when it is already too late.

So I do not understand the victim blaming. Basically saying that he deserves this or it's his own fault.
Sure the only thing I can say is, if you send sexy things over the internet or do camsex, you have to understand that the other side can easily screen capture everything. But understanding that doesn't make it any better. The sextortionist is still an asshole and doing something illegal.

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I don't get it either. Wrong is wrong and that shit is wrong.

Poor judgment...sure. But to be bribed over it?

Yeah, no.


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29-06-2016, 03:12 PM
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This is indeed a huge issue, especially in high schools. Over 70% of the victims of sextortions are teenagers and are heavily linked to juvenile pornography distribution and production. Since half the time, sexual content usedd to blackmail people are obtained by hackers, it makes this specific crime difficult to trace and contain. Since its a relatively ┬źnew┬╗ crime, there is little statistic or sound research on it yet. Here is a link that I thought wasn't too bad. Like in all sexual crimes, the victim blamming attitude can be quite strong and prevent victims from reporting it or seeking justice (and obtaining it when they do).

http://www.brookings.edu/research/report...ecic-spera

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29-06-2016, 03:14 PM
RE: Judgement on sextortion victims? wtf?
Generally - I find it reprehensible.....

However - I once saw it used - where I thought it was brilliant...

A girl I know bartended at a bar I bounced at -- and she was dating this guy (a "macho type" latino) who was married -- and he had kids with his wife...... He thought it was real manly having a chica blanca on the side............... And, he also seemed to think she needed an occasional beating "to keep her in line"...

He didn't know this girl as well as he thought he did......

She got him to take pictures of them having sex --- then, to get rid of him -- she made copies of the pictures and sent them to his entire family -- including his grandparents...............

......

He tried to get her charged with extortion --- but the cops laughed at him --- as she'd made no demands whatsoever of him.............


It worked -- he left her completely alone after that....


Sure she did a dumb thing being with the dork -- but the bailout I thought was brilliant....

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29-06-2016, 03:24 PM
RE: Judgement on sextortion victims? wtf?
I have a handful of pictures of ex-lovers. It would never have occurred to me to extort anything using them. They are for when I am 90 and reminiscing and I bet they will bring a smile to my face.

It's criminal to extort, period. And it's a vile crime, too.

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29-06-2016, 04:06 PM
RE: Judgement on sextortion victims? wtf?
(29-06-2016 03:14 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Generally - I find it reprehensible.....

However - I once saw it used - where I thought it was brilliant...

A girl I know bartended at a bar I bounced at -- and she was dating this guy (a "macho type" latino) who was married -- and he had kids with his wife...... He thought it was real manly having a chica blanca on the side............... And, he also seemed to think she needed an occasional beating "to keep her in line"...

He didn't know this girl as well as he thought he did......

She got him to take pictures of them having sex --- then, to get rid of him -- she made copies of the pictures and sent them to his entire family -- including his grandparents...............

......

He tried to get her charged with extortion --- but the cops laughed at him --- as she'd made no demands whatsoever of him.............


It worked -- he left her completely alone after that....


Sure she did a dumb thing being with the dork -- but the bailout I thought was brilliant....
That's revenge porn though, not sextortion.

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29-06-2016, 04:29 PM
RE: Judgement on sextortion victims? wtf?
(29-06-2016 04:06 PM)Leela Wrote:  
(29-06-2016 03:14 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Generally - I find it reprehensible.....

However - I once saw it used - where I thought it was brilliant...

A girl I know bartended at a bar I bounced at -- and she was dating this guy (a "macho type" latino) who was married -- and he had kids with his wife...... He thought it was real manly having a chica blanca on the side............... And, he also seemed to think she needed an occasional beating "to keep her in line"...

He didn't know this girl as well as he thought he did......

She got him to take pictures of them having sex --- then, to get rid of him -- she made copies of the pictures and sent them to his entire family -- including his grandparents...............

......

He tried to get her charged with extortion --- but the cops laughed at him --- as she'd made no demands whatsoever of him.............


It worked -- he left her completely alone after that....


Sure she did a dumb thing being with the dork -- but the bailout I thought was brilliant....
That's revenge porn though, not sextortion.

Self defense revenge porn by the sounds of it.
That'd make for an interest court case that's for sure. Is self defense a defense for revenge porn?

The idea that revenge porn is illegal is weird to begin with anyway. One too many politicians being victims of it I'd say.

Regarding the OP, yea of course it's bad and shit. If it's between two consenting adults it doesn't matter what they do. Doesn't make them 'perverted'.

These girls you work with must be pretty shelter/naive. The type that think that being kinky and adventurous in the bedroom in the bedroom is tying a silk ribbon very loosely around their wrists while they do it missionary style.

I'm a gay-asexual and I probably know more about this shit than them.

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29-06-2016, 07:40 PM
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(29-06-2016 12:56 PM)Leela Wrote:  Quick definition for those who don't know. Sextortion is like extortion but with sex. So let's say someone has sent sexy pics of themselves and now the other party blackmails them to give them something (usually money) or else they will make the picture public.

So at work (I work for a website), I receive emails from victims, and then I investigate and ban a user if needed.
The vast VAST majority of victims writing in to me are males.
Today I had a conversation with two (female) coworkers about this (they have to do this as well) and I was shocked at what they had to say about the victims but after trying to calmly make a case, and them both almost going on a rant, I decided to drop it.

Basically what they had to say was that those victims are perverts. And it is so perverted to have camsex (for example) and it isn't good and it is ugly and whatnot. And basically did a lot of victimblaming. They were acting like those men forced themselves on the sextortionists, completely forgetting how sextortion is a business and victims are baited into it.

I personally would NEVER judge a man for sexting or camsex etc as long as both parties consent.
I mean hell, have you never sent anything kinky, be it a pic or a text, to someone (boyfriend, wife, etc)?
Everybody has their urges or kinks or just want some harmless fun with like-minded people. Some people are just simply very lonely and so they look if they can have this type of fun online. I think it is all valid. Again, it is fine as long as both parties consent. I want to really hammer that one in > consent. The unsolicited dick pics are a completely different story.

So let's say a guy is trying to find a girl to have some erotic online fun. He finds one. They have some fun. Then she starts blackmailing him "Hey I made a video of this and if you don't pay me 5000 Euro, I will send this video to your whole friend list on <insert whatever network>"
Sextortion is a big business for many women and also for many men. There are, by now, bots out with pre-recorded bits of erotica. It is interactive, so by the press of a button, the person behind it can make smooth things like wave in the camera or smile or say a thing etc.
So a victim will only know when it is already too late.

So I do not understand the victim blaming. Basically saying that he deserves this or it's his own fault.
Sure the only thing I can say is, if you send sexy things over the internet or do camsex, you have to understand that the other side can easily screen capture everything. But understanding that doesn't make it any better. The sextortionist is still an asshole and doing something illegal.

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Wow, how callous. They should be the ones ashamed. I can't say I've never sext pics but I never sent ones with both nekkid bits and my face in the same pic. I have had a lot of pics sent to me both requested and non and guys don't seem to be as worried about that in my experience but as soon as that fun time was over they were deleted. One, I didn't want to keep them and two, I didn't want my daughter to find them if something happened to me. Blush

To think someone would try to make a living like this is vile. I can certainly see guys as the majority victims, since most people just don't think of women as predators so their guard would be down. What skanks!

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29-06-2016, 07:55 PM
RE: Judgement on sextortion victims? wtf?
(29-06-2016 04:06 PM)Leela Wrote:  
(29-06-2016 03:14 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Generally - I find it reprehensible.....

However - I once saw it used - where I thought it was brilliant...

A girl I know bartended at a bar I bounced at -- and she was dating this guy (a "macho type" latino) who was married -- and he had kids with his wife...... He thought it was real manly having a chica blanca on the side............... And, he also seemed to think she needed an occasional beating "to keep her in line"...

He didn't know this girl as well as he thought he did......

She got him to take pictures of them having sex --- then, to get rid of him -- she made copies of the pictures and sent them to his entire family -- including his grandparents...............

......

He tried to get her charged with extortion --- but the cops laughed at him --- as she'd made no demands whatsoever of him.............


It worked -- he left her completely alone after that....


Sure she did a dumb thing being with the dork -- but the bailout I thought was brilliant....
That's revenge porn though, not sextortion.

It's debatable... She used sexual pictures to get a desired result --- albeit one that most people can understand and sympathize with.......

Was it "right"????

Probably not...........

But, it's more "right" that being beaten, simply because some guy has a over inflated ego, and a sub-standard penis...............

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