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01-12-2012, 11:23 AM
Just leave Christmas the fuck alone.
(01-12-2012 10:27 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  [Image: 189880_300584056720076_1768020364_n.jpg]

You ought to get that lisp checked out.

It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness Laugh out load
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01-12-2012, 12:04 PM
RE: Just leave Christmas the fuck alone.
(30-11-2012 11:27 PM)vindicarblack Wrote:  
(30-11-2012 08:59 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Chinese New Years, Saint Patrick's day are both cultural holidays.
How is it perfectly fine to be fine with different cultural holidays, yet not fine with religious holidays?

The line between culture and religion is pretty slim IMO. At least with religion it effects more people (Christmas anyway) and is personal choice.

I understand that the state is suppose to be separate from religion but allowing people to erect (tehe) nativity scenes on public property is far from enacting religious legislation.
If anyone needs to cut the bullshit, it's you folk. You wanna get real? let's get real for a moment.
73% of Americans associate themselves with Christianity. 73%.
Are you saying that a government allowing a holiday for 73% of the public holiday in the public stage is unconstitutional? That's a little fucked up IMO.
73% of tax payers are Christians. How many gays or Irish or Chinese? I guarantee 73% of the US isn't Chinese..
If they have to pay for gay pride/chinese/irish/other, then those people should damn well have to put up with Christmas.



The seminal test for whether a particular activity is permissibly
promoted by a state entity is outlined, by the court case Lemon v. Kurtzman
(when a question of secular vs religious value is raised)


The Court's decision in this case established the
"Lemon test", which details the requirements for legislation
concerning religion. It consists of three prongs:


The government's action must have a secular
legislative purpose;


The government's action must not have the
primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;


The government's action must not result in an
"excessive government entanglement" with religion.





No one is asking private citizens or private businesses from
creating Christmas displays or promoting Christmas, but government facilities
and Government funds should not be used
to display or promote Christmas (or any other religious promotional display) as it fail the lemon test above.


Some facilities have adopted an open field policy where
anyone can erect a display as long as apposing religious views are all welcome.
Unfortunately, in Washington they did that and an Atheist group erected a plea
towards rational thought poster and there was a call to arms and outrage from
Fox News.


The problem with religious displays on public land is that
they cannot avoid bias towards to the views of one party and or one religious
belief at the cost of others.


I will close in saying that a logical discussion about these
subjects is always preferred; a discussion that is tempered with respect. Your
initial argument started very adversarial with cursing, so people probably
reacted strongly to your posting based on the tone of your original post.
sorry about the big font commands in the original post not sure how to edit it so Ill try this repost taking out the number and hopefully the strange control characters:

The seminal test for whether a particular activity is permissibly
promoted by a state entity is outlined, by the court case Lemon v. Kurtzman
(when a question of secular vs religious value is raised)


The Court's decision in this case established the
"Lemon test", which details the requirements for legislation
concerning religion. It consists of three prongs:


1. The government's action must have a secular
legislative purpose;


2. The government's action must not have the
primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;


3. The government's action must not result in an
"excessive government entanglement" with religion.





No one is asking private citizens or private businesses from
creating Christmas displays or promoting Christmas, but government facilities
and Government funds should not be used
to display or promote Christmas (or any other religious promotional display) as it fail the lemon test above.


Some facilities have adopted an open field policy where
anyone can erect a display as long as apposing religious views are all welcome.
Unfortunately, in Washington they did that and an Atheist group erected a plea
towards rational thought poster and there was a call to arms and outrage from
Fox News.


The problem with religious displays on public land is that
they cannot avoid bias towards to the views of one party and or one religious
belief at the cost of others.


I will close in saying that a logical discussion about these
subjects is always preferred; a discussion that is tempered with respect. Your
initial argument started very adversarial with cursing, so people probably
reacted strongly to your posting based on the tone of your original post.
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01-12-2012, 01:00 PM
RE: Just leave Christmas the fuck alone.
(01-12-2012 12:04 PM)vindicarblack Wrote:  ...
Your initial argument started very adversarial with cursing, so people probably reacted strongly to your posting based on the tone of your original post.

Blink

Muffsy? No! Not Muffsy.

Consider

Tell him something he doesn't know.

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01-12-2012, 01:04 PM
RE: Just leave Christmas the fuck alone.
(01-12-2012 01:00 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 12:04 PM)vindicarblack Wrote:  ...
Your initial argument started very adversarial with cursing, so people probably reacted strongly to your posting based on the tone of your original post.

Blink

Muffsy? No! Not Muffsy.

Consider

Tell him something he doesn't know.
Really. Coming from MuffDiver, that was hardly adversarial. Drinking Beverage

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01-12-2012, 01:06 PM
RE: Just leave Christmas the fuck alone.
I don't care what happens to Christmas as long as I still get 2 weeks off.

Bury me with my guns on, so when I reach the other side - I can show him what it feels like to die.
Bury me with my guns on, so when I'm cast out of the sky, I can shoot the devil right between the eyes.
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01-12-2012, 09:46 PM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2012 10:02 PM by fstratzero.)
RE: Just leave Christmas the fuck alone.
I was going to take the time to refute Earmuffs, but I feel as though he is trolling.

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01-12-2012, 11:07 PM
Just leave Christmas the fuck alone.
Internet forums are often stages upon which the lonely and the insecure post random arbitrary messages in a vain attempt to fill the empty holes in their lives. I enjoy intelligent and thoughtful discussions, not the obvious cries for attention by people like Earmuffs. I am sure he will have a witty yet pointless reply to this.

Back to the conversation. The constitution is the supreme law of the land. It is neither arbitrary nor outdated. It is the cornerstone of our legal system and way of life. It defines the unique and quintessential elements of being an American.
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01-12-2012, 11:13 PM
RE: Just leave Christmas the fuck alone.
(01-12-2012 11:07 PM)vindicarblack Wrote:  ...
the lonely and the insecure post random arbitrary messages in a vain attempt to fill the empty holes in their lives. Laughat
... the obvious cries for attention by people like Earmuffs. Laughat Laughat

I am sure he will have a witty yet pointless reply to this. Laughat Laughat Laughat

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Hahahaha, hahaha, haha, ha... haha. Big Grin


Ooooh!

I peed.

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01-12-2012, 11:38 PM
RE: Just leave Christmas the fuck alone.
(01-12-2012 11:13 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(01-12-2012 11:07 PM)vindicarblack Wrote:  ...
the lonely and the insecure post random arbitrary messages in a vain attempt to fill the empty holes in their lives. Laughat
... the obvious cries for attention by people like Earmuffs. Laughat Laughat

I am sure he will have a witty yet pointless reply to this. Laughat Laughat Laughat

Big Grin
Hahahaha, hahaha, haha, ha... haha. Big Grin


Ooooh!

I peed.
Yeah, huh? I was laughing at the other part of his post... constitution... what a fucking joke. Dodgy

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01-12-2012, 11:54 PM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2012 12:07 AM by fstratzero.)
RE: Just leave Christmas the fuck alone.
(01-12-2012 01:21 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
Quote:That's because in a republic we are ruled by law and not by a mob, or majority.
Law that is decided by the public

Those states that passed making weed legal, that was voted on by the public, the public decided that it wanted it to be legal and hence it's legal

The law for the most part reflects public opinion because people have a little thing called a vote.

You must not know how bills or propositions become law. It's more complicated than how you are representing it.

A ballot proposition is a proposed law that is submitted to the electorate for approval in a direct vote (or plebiscite). It may take the form of a constitutional amendment or an ordinary statute. A ballot proposition may be proposed by the State Legislature or by a petition signed by members of the public under the initiative system.



(01-12-2012 01:21 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
Quote:When the religious begin to erect religious symbols on government property during St. Patrick's Day. Then I'll probably take issue with that too.
So it is a atheist thing?
Would you complain about a giant A being erected (tehe)? no...

Nice straw man but, I would complain about that. The government is to stay neutral regarding religion.

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