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13-02-2014, 01:01 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists seem to think that science/logic are the only ways to prove something.

Please define what you mean by 'prove' before any meaningful discussion can take place.

For this statement to be true, your definition of 'prove' won't be the same definition that anyone else uses when they want to be objective.
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13-02-2014, 01:02 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 12:48 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(13-02-2014 12:46 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  Dude... I said move to Alaska.
Besides that, they were looking for religious freedom.

The founders of the United States were, not the first explorers.

Ah, here we go.
That is correct, I'm assuming you're then referring to Zheng He? If that's so, then you're original claim is still invalid. He was not the only one to "discover" America.

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13-02-2014, 01:55 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 12:44 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Thank you for answering my question without getting arrogant and defensive.
You're welcome. It's too bad civility is so uncommon it warrants thanks and acknowledgement.

But you owe us an answer to "what else is there"? That is the principal thrust of your OP: that something other than logic/science can prove - well, what, exactly? So that's two questions: What else can be used to prove, and what kinds of things would this something else be able to prove?
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13-02-2014, 01:59 PM (This post was last modified: 13-02-2014 02:02 PM by rampant.a.i..)
Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists seem to think that science/logic are the only ways to prove something. Do those things require proof, or are they just more dogmas to follow? Science is rather dogmatic...

Words have meaning. Here's the meaning of "Dogmatic":

"inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true.
"he gives his opinion without trying to be dogmatic"
synonyms: opinionated, peremptory, assertive, insistent, emphatic, adamant, doctrinaire, authoritarian, imperious, dictatorial, uncompromising, unyielding, inflexible, rigid"

Please do try to employ some better tactics than "nuh-uh, YOU are!" and perhaps look up the words you're using so you understand them.

Provide an example of something that is shown to be true without empirical evidence or logic.

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13-02-2014, 02:13 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists seem to think that science/logic are the only ways to prove something. Do those things require proof, or are they just more dogmas to follow? Science is rather dogmatic...

Can you give me a definition for science as you're using it here?

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13-02-2014, 02:19 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 02:13 PM)undergroundp Wrote:  
(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists seem to think that science/logic are the only ways to prove something. Do those things require proof, or are they just more dogmas to follow? Science is rather dogmatic...

Can you give me a definition for science as you're using it here?

Science [n]:
  1. pertaining to or utilizing knowledge that is unknown to the reader
  2. referring to the teaching of knowledge that has been previously unobtained by the student
  3. anything that is unknown to the reader and/or causes fear

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13-02-2014, 02:28 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists...

Uh...

(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists...

Er...

(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists...

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13-02-2014, 02:33 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 02:28 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists...

Uh...

(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists...

Er...

(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists...

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I was refering to internet atheists in general.

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13-02-2014, 03:04 PM (This post was last modified: 13-02-2014 03:39 PM by Free Thought.)
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists seem to think that science/logic are the only ways to prove something. Do those things require proof, or are they just more dogmas to follow? Science is rather dogmatic...

As far as I am aware the only dogma in science is the Central dogma of molecular biology.

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13-02-2014, 03:06 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 02:33 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  I was refering to internet atheists in general.

Aaaaaand that that's an absurd overgeneralisation didn't faze you?

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