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15-02-2014, 10:02 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 12:29 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Sure, if you're going to label Science as "everything".

Secular governments and processes are what has made the human race what it is today. At least in first world countries, eh? Physical reality is the only reality we know *for sure* exists, and we have an obligation to understand it so we can progress as a species and end suffering.

If you want to try to deny life saving or life sustaining technologies and replace them with a trust in a vengeful & murderous sky daddy....by several definitions, you have failed as a human being. Calling science "dogmatic" and whining that your religion should get equal consideration is just semantics: Science WORKS.

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15-02-2014, 11:45 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 12:15 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(13-02-2014 12:12 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  Why exactly is my thread idiotic? Am I not supposed to question your dogmas?

Throw away your computer you just lost the privilege of using the benifits of science. Now go out and start finding food in the woods cause everything in the supermarket is a benefit of science.

He can't do that either... (Hunting and gathering is a science. Also, the woods were probably specifically boundaried there because of a science called landscaping.)

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16-02-2014, 12:05 AM
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16-02-2014, 11:02 AM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists seem to think that science/logic are the only ways to prove something.
Emm.. yeah i prefer logic&sanity thank you very much for your concern.
Quote:Do those things require proof, or are they just more dogmas to follow? Science is rather dogmatic.
Science is nothing but a synonym for "Knowledge" or "information" in most basic sense its a study of how the natural world works and so far it has been pretty darn effective.

Chemistry > Alchemy
Evolutionary Biology > Creation myths of all religions
Astronomy > Astrology
Allopathy > Homeopathy/alternative medicine

you get the idea right?

Dreams/Hallucinations/delusions are not evidence
Wishful thinking is not evidence
Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
Logical fallacies&Unsubstantiated claims are not evidence
Vague prophecies is not evidence
Data that requires a certain belief is not evidence
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16-02-2014, 02:46 PM
Justification for science?
Scientific inquiry is the exact opposite of dogma. Dogma asserts Truth with no possibility of error, science is open to correcting mistakes.

If you look at the historical dogma of the Christian church, and the number of times sects have split into denominations, Christianity is far more prone to error than any of it's followers care to accept.

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16-02-2014, 10:04 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists seem to think that science/logic are the only ways to prove something. Do those things require proof, or are they just more dogmas to follow? Science is rather dogmatic...

There is no other reliable method for gaining knowledge about reality. Science has a proven track record. If you want to see how effective it is go look at a cave and compare it to a modern sky scraper. That is what science has done. We would still be living in those caves and breaking open animal bones with rocks to get our nourishment without science. We would be cowering in fear and sacrificing virgins every time it thundered or the ground rumbled or there was a solar eclipse. Science whether it is dogmatic or not flat out works. The evidence is all around you.

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17-02-2014, 06:22 AM
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Oh god. Again?

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17-02-2014, 03:53 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(13-02-2014 11:12 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  You atheists seem to think that science/logic are the only ways to prove something. Do those things require proof, or are they just more dogmas to follow? Science is rather dogmatic...

You have got me, an absurdist to sit up and listen. Ok please show me how to prove something without logic.
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17-02-2014, 05:12 PM
Justification for science?
Well, you just screw your eyes shut, plug your ears, and wish really really hard, until you believe it's true.

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17-02-2014, 05:29 PM
RE: Justification for science?
(17-02-2014 05:12 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  Well, you just screw your eyes shut, plug your ears, and wish really really hard, until you believe it's true.

No that is belief, the OP implied there is a non-logical means of attaining a proof, I am just asking to be shown this.

It is not too much to ask, is it?
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