Justification of hell?
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12-09-2013, 02:33 PM
RE: Justification of hell?
bc the free will is eternal that is why the concept of punishment is eternal

bc it is what that freedom gets objectively in the means of existence, so it would always get the same form of being,

u can kill bodies but u cant kill the free presence will u cant bring it back to before it was being, bc existence is true
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12-09-2013, 02:33 PM
RE: Justification of hell?
(12-09-2013 02:17 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(12-09-2013 09:15 AM)I Am Wrote:  I'm with you on this one. Any crime or sin or whatever, even genocide, is finite. Infinite punishment for a finite crime is unjust.

If punishment is not quantized, then a finite amount of punishment can be spread over an infinite amount of time.
The subject of hell is full of unknowns of course. Infinite time does not make sense unless it were a continuous loop which kept repeating it's self forever.
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12-09-2013, 02:34 PM
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(12-09-2013 02:31 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(12-09-2013 02:24 PM)Philosoraptor Wrote:  ...and would equal zero.

Only if punishment is spread evenly.

Even halving it in an infinite loop it would either last forever or drop below pain threshold. If you removed the pain threshold then it is still an infinite punishment, if you don't then after awhile it becomes indistinguishable as a punishment.

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12-09-2013, 02:38 PM
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(12-09-2013 02:29 PM)Elesjei Wrote:  If you punish someone for an infinite amount of time, the punishment is infinite. Infinite means it never ends. You can't dish out punishment for a finite time over the course of forever. It's a contradiction.

No its not a contradiction for something finite to be expressed infinitely. For example, the sum of an infinite number of harmonic numbers is finite.

The sum of 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + 1/64......ad infinitum is a finite quantity.
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12-09-2013, 02:40 PM
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(12-09-2013 02:33 PM)absols Wrote:  bc the free will is eternal that is why the concept of punishment is eternal

bc it is what that freedom gets objectively in the means of existence, so it would always get the same form of being,

u can kill bodies but u cant kill the free presence will u cant bring it back to before it was being, bc existence is true
If I understand you correctly, you are saying hell exists because the will is eternal. What exactly is a free will? The forever lingering option of distrusting God? I don't believe that's what happens. The trust of God would never be built upon the fear of hell.
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12-09-2013, 02:40 PM
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This all makes 1/infinity sense
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12-09-2013, 02:42 PM
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(12-09-2013 02:34 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(12-09-2013 02:31 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Only if punishment is spread evenly.

Even halving it in an infinite loop it would either last forever or drop below pain threshold. If you removed the pain threshold then it is still an infinite punishment, if you don't then after awhile it becomes indistinguishable as a punishment.
I don't believe the torment spoken of in scripture is a bodily pain. I think it is more like a type of shame or embarrassment or a remnant of pride. However, your point is accurate unless it is revisited and renewed.
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12-09-2013, 02:44 PM
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12-09-2013, 02:48 PM
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(12-09-2013 02:34 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(12-09-2013 02:31 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Only if punishment is spread evenly.

Even halving it in an infinite loop it would either last forever or drop below pain threshold. If you removed the pain threshold then it is still an infinite punishment, if you don't then after awhile it becomes indistinguishable as a punishment.

The punishment would be easier to bare but it would never end. You can't argue with the maths.

All you can do is make assumptions like punishment can become so small that it is no longer felt and thus ceases to be punishment. But what if in the after life any quantity of punishment can be felt?
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12-09-2013, 02:48 PM
RE: Justification of hell?
u cant under stand nor b related to the concept of correctness at all, when u r for worse

so the opposite of everything supports

that is how u jump berk so easily to shit on clear words

i said hell is eternal bc the will is eternal fuck u piece of free shit
like u, obviously ur awareness base freedom and positive wills end, are not ur body nor ur soul, but definitely a relative existence of urself in truth being u always the same

that truth like for anything and everything else would force to its own existence first terms
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