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05-02-2014, 03:52 PM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2014 06:01 PM by Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver.)
Kids and Guns
This ran recently on ABC's 20/20. It was a hidden camera experiment concerning how children behave around guns when they encounter them unattended in a home or school environment.





I was expecting the video to be more along the lines of 'you and your children are too stupid to be trusted near guns' but the piece was pretty fair and it did raise up a few opinions of my own.

First off, I HATE the NRA and Eddie Eagle. For those of you not familiar with Eddie Eagle, it's a program for young children to educated them about gun accidents; the basics are that children are taught if they encounter a gun to 1) stop 2) don't touch it 3) leave the area 4) tell an adult.While attempting to provide education about gun safety, they manage to create a forbidden fruit.

And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

- Genesis 2:16-17, NKJV


Well, we all know how that story ended, don't we? And when you're dealing with loaded guns carelessly placed around the house, that's a dead child.

And the story on 20/20 plays out exactly that way.

There is some good news in the story. Older boys and girls seemed to take the danger more seriously and followed the rules. It seems to demonstrate that children who do not understand the concept of CONSEQUENCES cannot be instructed in such a matter in regards to dangerous activities.

But I also noticed that, in addition to the kids, the parents really weren't providing the kids with appropriate firearms instruction either. They often seemed to avoid the subject and refused to tell or teach their kids about guns and what they need to do should they encounter one.

Now it may shock you that young children CAN handle and shoot guns safely. I learned how to shoot guns when I was five and received an air rifle as a gift from my parents when I was 6, which remained one of my most prized possessions when I was a child. My dad always loved guns and shooting and so I picked up the bug as well.

Prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968, guns were sold without paperwork or background checks. Kids often spent summers mowing laws so they could save up enough to buy a .22. It might also surprise you to know that they often took these guns to school with them; they kept them in their vehicles and went hunting when classes let out. Gun accidents did happen then as they do today. I remember reading in test pilot Chuck Yeager's autobiography that he had a younger brother who accidentally killed himself while examining one of his father's loaded guns. But instead of getting rid of guns, his dad took his children out shooting and taught them how to safely handle and shoot a firearm. They never had another gun accident.

First if you do own a firearm and have young children, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTROL THEIR ACCESS TO IT. Keep your guns locked up and make sure your children understand that they are not to touch or handle it without your immediate supervision.

Second, expose them to guns and shooting. If you always do the first, you are again creating a forbidden fruit. Under direct supervision AND WITH THE WEAPON UNLOADED, let them see it and handle it up close. Provide them with immediate instruction on how to properly handle it safely. Lead by example. Act responsibly and safely around guns and they probably will as well.

Teach you kids these four fundamental rules:
1) ALWAYS treat a gun as though it were loaded
2) NEVER point a gun at anything that you do not intend to destroy
3) ALWAYS keep you finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to fire
4) KNOW where your target is and what is behind it.

I'll throw in a fifth and sixth rule as well and demand they follow it.

YOU ARE NOT TO HANDLE OR SHOOT FIREARMS WITHOUT THE IMMEDIATE SUPERVISION OF AN ADULT PRESENT AT ALL TIMES. IT IS ILLEGAL TO DO OTHERWISE. IF YOU ENCOUNTER A CHILD OR OTHER JUVENILE WITH A GUN, GET AWAY FROM THIS PERSON. LEAVE THE AREA. TELL AN ADULT, AUTHORITY FIGURE, OR POLICE OFFICER IMMEDIATELY.

IF YOU ARE EVER AROUND SOMEONE WHO IS HANDLING A GUN CARELESSLY OR IN A RECKLESS OR DANGEROUS MANNER, GET AWAY FROM THIS PERSON. LEAVE THE AREA. TELL AN ADULT, AUTHORITY FIGURE, OR POLICE OFFICER IMMEDIATELY.

Take the child out and allow them to shoot a gun (i.e. a .22 or similar low powered weapon) under immediate supervision. Demonstrate and coach them on safe handling techniques for guns and hold them to the rules of gun safety. Be keenly observant of the juvenile to see that they can understand the concept of CONSEQUENCES for their actions. Make sure they understand that it is their RESPONSIBILITY to handle a firearm safely.

If the child is exhibiting behavioral problems or if they are prone to reckless behavior, access to guns and shooting should be restricted until these problems clear and/or the child can demonstrate a level of maturity appropriate to handling weapons.

If you cannot do this or do not know how, SEEK INSTRUCTION FROM A QUALIFIED FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR. DO NOT ADLIB SAFE HANLING OF FIREARMS.

And above all, do not lie or attempt to scare the child about guns with horror stories. Just like those stupid 'Reefer Madness' films, kids can detect bullshit from a mile away. If you specifically forbid them to try something they will probably want to and do so when you are not looking. Make guns and shooting availabe to them in a controlled and supervised manner where they are forced to handle a gun safely, instead of outright prohibition of guns, and they probably will grow up to be good gun owners and shooters. Lie to them and allow their idiot friends to educate them on guns, and you're asking for trouble.

"IN THRUST WE TRUST"

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05-02-2014, 07:54 PM
RE: Kids and Guns
Teaching the child about guns and how to shoot and respect a weapon can save his life.

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06-02-2014, 12:11 AM
RE: Kids and Guns
..seems like good advice. I used pellet guns as learning aids for my kids, to teach them how to safely handle a gun. FYI, kids need to be taught how to safely handle knives too.

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12-02-2014, 12:47 PM
RE: Kids and Guns
(05-02-2014 07:54 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  Teaching the child about guns and how to shoot and respect a weapon can save his life.
I agree.

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12-02-2014, 12:58 PM
RE: Kids and Guns
Just like everything else, it requires instruction. I grew up in a rural area and damn near every boy and many of the girls got guns for birthday and Christmas gifts by the time they were in middle school so they could go hunting. We were taught by generations of family members to respect the power and follow the rules.

This summer when we go to PA, I will start that instruction with my 8 & 10 year old girls. They already shoot archery.

Education and responsibility.


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12-02-2014, 02:31 PM
RE: Kids and Guns
I'll also make this comment. Even with some competent training, accidents are still going to happen on occasion. This doesn't mean the training is a failure, but it does serve as a painful reminder of what can happen when you get laxed and careless while handling a deadly weapon.

This isn't limited to civilians either. I imagine the military members of this forum have plenty of horror stories about colleagues being injured or killed in firearms accidents. Most cops have an appalling level of skill with a gun, as this LVMPD officer demonstrates.





She nearly killed this suspect being arrested or her partner because she couldn't exercise a basic rule of firearm safety: do not touch the trigger until you are ready to fire.

Gun makers do all they can to engineer a weapon which will not discharge unless commanded to do so but they cannot be held responsible if a moron or a reckless person handles it. It's also not the fault of gun owners who are responsible with their guns.

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13-02-2014, 10:01 AM
RE: Kids and Guns
Unlike gods guns require fear and respect. I would be more worried about a kid or adult who has no training that comes across a firearm.
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