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25-12-2015, 09:44 AM
RE: King Trump's s**t doesn't stink
Quote:Look, if he was really as ignorant and oblivious to the truth as he appears on TV, he could never have built the business he did.


You are giving our modern day robber barons way too much credit. Arrogant psychopaths can get rich....especially if daddy gives them a head start.

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25-12-2015, 10:05 AM
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(23-12-2015 08:18 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Trump is just a conspiracy ploy ingeniously thunked up by Republicans as a way to get Mitt Romney elected.
They parade Trump around, everyone panics because he's Trump and than at the last minute the Republicans pull out the Romney card and suddenly Romney looks like a golden angel riding on a Scottish unicorn with the constitution in one hand and an assault rifle in the other screaming the national anthem.

1. It's not really that ingenious.
2. Indeed, they have no viable candidate.
3. Since there is no viable candidate, so why not parade around about 20 asylum escapees, and their Lunatic-in-Chief .. Trump, as they have no other way to get attention, at all.
4. I disagree about Romney. It might be Paul Ryan who gets drafted. He just got a budget passed. He's looking pretty sane right now.

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26-12-2015, 04:25 AM (This post was last modified: 26-12-2015 07:41 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: King Trump's s**t doesn't stink
(25-12-2015 09:16 AM)frankksj Wrote:  
(23-12-2015 09:01 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Trump is far right wing nut. Hillary is only mid-right wing nut.

Actually if you look at campaign donations and past history, Trump has historically been more democrat. This courting of the right-wing is new territory for him.

IMO, he's been honing his shtick on reality TV and learned that the more belligerent he becomes, shouting insults, screaming "you're fired", the more ratings soar. He probably just looked at the ratings demographics and determined that the Republicans were slightly more receptive than Democrats to this pugnacious, militant act, so he switched sides and became Republican.

Look, if he was really as ignorant and oblivious to the truth as he appears on TV, he could never have built the business he did. I'm sure the attention goes to his head, but I'm convinced his antics are well calculated.


Earmuffs is a Kiwi, so every U.S. politician is far right of anything else even close to being considered 'moderate' by the standards of the rest of the developed world. I imagine that our supposed 'liberals' would fail to pass themselves off as moderates anywhere outside of the United States, including New Zealand.

The thing that Hillary and Trump both share is that they are both pro-establishment. Trump is appealing to the racist xenophobes while Hillary is attempting to appeal to everyone else, but both suck the cock of the big banks and corporate America. Between the two, it comes down to whether your want your corporate overlords to be racist and sexist or not; and given the choice, far more people would rather have less racism.

I'd rather have Bernie, we could really use a genuine progressive in charge.

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26-12-2015, 06:19 AM
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There is no way Mitt Romney can get the GOP nomination. The deadline to get on the primary ballots has passed as far as I know.

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26-12-2015, 08:36 AM
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(26-12-2015 04:25 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Earmuffs is a Kiwi, so every U.S. politician is far right of anything else even close to being considered 'moderate' by the standards of the rest of the developed world.

It's the exact opposite. "Left" is generally accepted as wanting more government intervention on the economy vs "Right" on moral/social issues. The further left you get, the more one argues that the individual has less right to the fruits of labor and it becomes collectively owned, heading towards socialism/communism. As you get further and further left, one of the hallmarks is that the government mandates that the fruits of it's citizens labor is for life, and 'defecting', trying to leave the system, is met with force. When half the world was socialist and half capitalist, the capitalist side let people live where they wanted, and once they gave up residency, their obligations to the government ended. The socialists, however, said that while you may physically leave, the government retains ownership of the fruits of your labor for life.

Now consider: If you're fed up with your country, think the taxes are too high and the government isn't taking care of you, are you free to simply leave and live somewhere else where you feel you get a better value for your taxes? During the cold war, in the left countries that practiced socialism the answer was 'no' and in capitalist countries 'yes'. But then in the 1990's Clinton embedded in HIPAA penalties for Americans who try to leave, so they have to pay taxes to the US for life. So at that point, the only 3 countries in the world that didn't allow its citizens to simply leave and opt out were: North Korea, Cuba and the US. However recently even Cuba said this position was just too far left, leaving only N. Korea and the US.

The left socialist President of France, Francois Hollande, got his 75% tax pushed through, and after a lot of notable French left, including the France's most famous actor, Gerard Depardieu, and richest business man, Bernard Arnault, who applied for Belgian citizenship and also said that many of his executives at Louis Vuitton also requested to relocate. And Hollande, in an interview, that France was just not far left enough to pass laws to prevent their departure, since the French were not willing to give up the basic right of movement in exchange for tax enforcement. And he even brought up the US and said he wished France would be able to have laws like the US that force Americans to pay taxes for life.

(26-12-2015 04:25 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  I'd rather have Bernie, we could really use a genuine progressive in charge.

Now you've proved my point. Sanders, a self-proclaimed socialist, said during a debate he wishes Americans would adopt a system more like Denmark. The Danish Prime Minister however immediately responded that Denmark isn't and never has been a socialist country. Apparently Sanders calls himself a socialist and never bothered to look up the word in the dictionary to learn that socialism means state ownership of the means of production. He pledges allegiance to a political ideology without even taking 2 minutes to understand what that ideology is? And embarrasses himself on national tv by saying Denmark is socialist?

It's very easy to measure if a country is moving toward socialism by looking at the percent of the gdp that is state owned--when a state is socialist that reaches 100%. And you see that Denmark not only isn't socialist, they are RUNNING away from Sanders beloved socialism. They have been privatizing state-owned companies and the % of gdp from state owned enterprises is dropping.

The 2 countries that agree with Sanders and are nationalizing private companies so the state has a growing % of gdp are Argentina and Venezuela. And the results of their shift to the left are the same as all the other countries that tried it; the economy is in shambles, violence and crime are soaring, and everybody who has any resources is leaving. Venezuala went even further left, and now the people can't even get toilet paper and a box of condoms is 3 months salary. I live in Colombia and have an office here, and practically every day we get bombarded with applications from Venezuelans desperate for a work visa so they can get out. We get well educated people with Ph.D.'s begging for a job mopping floors just so they can get residency outside Venezuela.

And this is the model Sanders and you want to follow? It seems you, like Sanders, embrace a political ideology and have no idea what it is. You claim the US is far right of other countries, but: No other developed country is left enough to have corporate income taxes as high as the US, no other country has tax rates as progressive as the US, no other developed country is left enough to force its citizens to pay taxes for life. And these countries that the left holds up as models are actually right-wing compared to the US. Sure, their total tax rates are higher. But most of the Scandinavian countries accomplish this by shifting the bulk of taxation and government to the local level where it's much more efficient--something the Democrats consider way too right wing. Sweden's national income tax is flat: 2 tiers: 20% and 25%. If an American politician proposed the US adopt those tax rates, he'd be blasted as a tea party lunatic.
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26-12-2015, 09:20 AM
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(26-12-2015 08:36 AM)frankksj Wrote:  Now you've proved my point. Sanders, a self-proclaimed socialist, said during a debate he wishes Americans would adopt a system more like Denmark. The Danish Prime Minister however immediately responded that Denmark isn't and never has been a socialist country. Apparently Sanders calls himself a socialist and never bothered to look up the word in the dictionary to learn that socialism means state ownership of the means of production. He pledges allegiance to a political ideology without even taking 2 minutes to understand what that ideology is? And embarrasses himself on national tv by saying Denmark is socialist?

Speaking of people who don't look things up......

First, Sanders claims he's a "Democratic Socialist" and second, your definition is of communism, not socialism. Socialism does not advocate the state ownership of the means of production. Communism does that. Socialism deals with the state provision of social services like education, healthcare, etc. while allowing private ownership of the means of production (although generally subject to regulations that limit the enterprises ability to create economic havoc - which can have its own drawbacks, obviously).

Democratic Socialism is theory put into practice. He's not asking for an authoritarian control over these services. He's still advocating a vote and people having input into what the government controls.

And, we are already a socialist state in the way that Sanders advocates. He's just asking that we own up to it and switch who gets the majority of government help from large corporate interests to actual people.

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26-12-2015, 09:34 AM
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(26-12-2015 08:36 AM)frankksj Wrote:  
(26-12-2015 04:25 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Earmuffs is a Kiwi, so every U.S. politician is far right of anything else even close to being considered 'moderate' by the standards of the rest of the developed world.

It's the exact opposite. "Left" is generally accepted as wanting more government intervention on the economy vs "Right" on moral/social issues. The further left you get, the more one argues that the individual has less right to the fruits of labor and it becomes collectively owned, heading towards socialism/communism. As you get further and further left, one of the hallmarks is that the government mandates that the fruits of it's citizens labor is for life, and 'defecting', trying to leave the system, is met with force. When half the world was socialist and half capitalist, the capitalist side let people live where they wanted, and once they gave up residency, their obligations to the government ended. The socialists, however, said that while you may physically leave, the government retains ownership of the fruits of your labor for life.

Now consider: If you're fed up with your country, think the taxes are too high and the government isn't taking care of you, are you free to simply leave and live somewhere else where you feel you get a better value for your taxes? During the cold war, in the left countries that practiced socialism the answer was 'no' and in capitalist countries 'yes'. But then in the 1990's Clinton embedded in HIPAA penalties for Americans who try to leave, so they have to pay taxes to the US for life. So at that point, the only 3 countries in the world that didn't allow its citizens to simply leave and opt out were: North Korea, Cuba and the US. However recently even Cuba said this position was just too far left, leaving only N. Korea and the US.

The left socialist President of France, Francois Hollande, got his 75% tax pushed through, and after a lot of notable French left, including the France's most famous actor, Gerard Depardieu, and richest business man, Bernard Arnault, who applied for Belgian citizenship and also said that many of his executives at Louis Vuitton also requested to relocate. And Hollande, in an interview, that France was just not far left enough to pass laws to prevent their departure, since the French were not willing to give up the basic right of movement in exchange for tax enforcement. And he even brought up the US and said he wished France would be able to have laws like the US that force Americans to pay taxes for life.

(26-12-2015 04:25 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  I'd rather have Bernie, we could really use a genuine progressive in charge.

Now you've proved my point. Sanders, a self-proclaimed socialist, said during a debate he wishes Americans would adopt a system more like Denmark. The Danish Prime Minister however immediately responded that Denmark isn't and never has been a socialist country. Apparently Sanders calls himself a socialist and never bothered to look up the word in the dictionary to learn that socialism means state ownership of the means of production. He pledges allegiance to a political ideology without even taking 2 minutes to understand what that ideology is? And embarrasses himself on national tv by saying Denmark is socialist?

It's very easy to measure if a country is moving toward socialism by looking at the percent of the gdp that is state owned--when a state is socialist that reaches 100%. And you see that Denmark not only isn't socialist, they are RUNNING away from Sanders beloved socialism. They have been privatizing state-owned companies and the % of gdp from state owned enterprises is dropping.

The 2 countries that agree with Sanders and are nationalizing private companies so the state has a growing % of gdp are Argentina and Venezuela. And the results of their shift to the left are the same as all the other countries that tried it; the economy is in shambles, violence and crime are soaring, and everybody who has any resources is leaving. Venezuala went even further left, and now the people can't even get toilet paper and a box of condoms is 3 months salary. I live in Colombia and have an office here, and practically every day we get bombarded with applications from Venezuelans desperate for a work visa so they can get out. We get well educated people with Ph.D.'s begging for a job mopping floors just so they can get residency outside Venezuela.

And this is the model Sanders and you want to follow? It seems you, like Sanders, embrace a political ideology and have no idea what it is. You claim the US is far right of other countries, but: No other developed country is left enough to have corporate income taxes as high as the US, no other country has tax rates as progressive as the US, no other developed country is left enough to force its citizens to pay taxes for life. And these countries that the left holds up as models are actually right-wing compared to the US. Sure, their total tax rates are higher. But most of the Scandinavian countries accomplish this by shifting the bulk of taxation and government to the local level where it's much more efficient--something the Democrats consider way too right wing. Sweden's national income tax is flat: 2 tiers: 20% and 25%. If an American politician proposed the US adopt those tax rates, he'd be blasted as a tea party lunatic.

What world do you live on? As it's evidently not the same one the rest of us are on... Facepalm

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26-12-2015, 09:37 AM
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I couldn't imagine the foul funk that comes out of that beasty woman.
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26-12-2015, 11:24 AM (This post was last modified: 26-12-2015 11:48 AM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
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I don't think we need full on socialism to fix our problems. Just tax everyone fairly. Cut out all tax breaks. Everyone pays their own share depending on your income. No more tax returns. Get rid of the minimum wage and let workers negotiate their pay based on the type of job and their value to the company.

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26-12-2015, 11:35 AM
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(26-12-2015 09:20 AM)BnW Wrote:  
(26-12-2015 08:36 AM)frankksj Wrote:  Now you've proved my point. Sanders, a self-proclaimed socialist, said during a debate he wishes Americans would adopt a system more like Denmark. The Danish Prime Minister however immediately responded that Denmark isn't and never has been a socialist country. Apparently Sanders calls himself a socialist and never bothered to look up the word in the dictionary to learn that socialism means state ownership of the means of production. He pledges allegiance to a political ideology without even taking 2 minutes to understand what that ideology is? And embarrasses himself on national tv by saying Denmark is socialist?

Speaking of people who don't look things up......

First, Sanders claims he's a "Democratic Socialist" and second, your definition is of communism, not socialism. Socialism does not advocate the state ownership of the means of production. Communism does that. Socialism deals with the state provision of social services like education, healthcare, etc. while allowing private ownership of the means of production (although generally subject to regulations that limit the enterprises ability to create economic havoc - which can have its own drawbacks, obviously).

Democratic Socialism is theory put into practice. He's not asking for an authoritarian control over these services. He's still advocating a vote and people having input into what the government controls.

And, we are already a socialist state in the way that Sanders advocates. He's just asking that we own up to it and switch who gets the majority of government help from large corporate interests to actual people.

Yes, you know what you are talking about. I was getting worried that maybe nobody sane was around. 37 per cent and such is what Norwegians pay and Swedes. No I am not there, but have a close friend who is. He spends half his year in Norway, the wrong half, only when it is cold and returns to the Dominican Republic for the summer!
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