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29-12-2012, 03:33 PM
 
RE: King of Kings
(29-12-2012 02:02 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  We are all destined to dust, Egor. From dust we came, and to dust we will return again, and from us will spring life anew.

How do you know?
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29-12-2012, 04:04 PM
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(29-12-2012 03:33 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(29-12-2012 02:02 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  We are all destined to dust, Egor. From dust we came, and to dust we will return again, and from us will spring life anew.

How do you know?

Plants grow in dirt. Minerals from dirt become part of the plant. Animals eat plants (and/or eat animals that eat plants) and the plant becomes part of the animal. When an animal dies its body decomposes and becomes part of the earth again; and given time it is certain that some of those materials will make their way back into plants.


Dirt to plant to animal to dirt and back to plant again.

E 2 = (mc 2)2 + (pc )2
614C → 714N + e + ̅νe
2 K(s) + 2 H2O(l) → 2 KOH(aq) + H2 (g) + 196 kJ/mol
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29-12-2012, 06:53 PM
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(29-12-2012 01:53 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(29-12-2012 02:02 AM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Egor, I am god.

That is a true statement. It's easy to make the statement. It's easy to know something intellectually, but to really understand it and be convinced of it, moreover to really experience it, to put your faith in it, to have the courage to face the implications of it, takes a lifetime of spiritual development, in my opinion. In fact I believe that development continues on in your lucid spiritual plane after your body dies. I believe that is the next step.

If you truly believed what you said, then you could read the Gospels and realize they written by you for you as a guide. Naturally, you would immediately transcend religion and atheism, right and wrong, and even life and death. You would become what Jesus admonished us to become in the Gospel of Thomas when he said simply:

Be passersby. (ref. VGJC 45:26)

In short, you don't realize what you've just said. And I get the feeling from you it was an accidental statement, an attempt to be funny or mock me (as if that's the most important thing to do in life). Be careful though, because Jesus also said:

And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but the one on whom it falls will be utterly crushed. (VGJC 41:17).

The stone he was referring to is the concept of Christ, and Chrsit is God conscious of Himself from within His creation. If you carry on thinking you are God, Phaedrus will be turned to dust and blown away. Consider




Hey Egor, are you by any chance referring here to the gnostic hyleticism/psychism/pneuma argument?

What is your "concept of Christ?" and how did you arrive at it?

Do you think you are God? (I'm not trying to belittle you....just asking)
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29-12-2012, 11:42 PM
 
RE: King of Kings
(29-12-2012 04:04 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Plants grow in dirt. Minerals from dirt become part of the plant. Animals eat plants (and/or eat animals that eat plants) and the plant becomes part of the animal. When an animal dies its body decomposes and becomes part of the earth again; and given time it is certain that some of those materials will make their way back into plants.


Dirt to plant to animal to dirt and back to plant again.

Well, sure; that's what happens to physical bodies. But what about minds? Huh
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29-12-2012, 11:46 PM
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(29-12-2012 11:42 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(29-12-2012 04:04 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Plants grow in dirt. Minerals from dirt become part of the plant. Animals eat plants (and/or eat animals that eat plants) and the plant becomes part of the animal. When an animal dies its body decomposes and becomes part of the earth again; and given time it is certain that some of those materials will make their way back into plants.


Dirt to plant to animal to dirt and back to plant again.

Well, sure; that's what happens to physical bodies. But what about minds? Huh

What happens when you wipe a hard drive?


Those memories, that information, those holiday photos, that folder full of pirated music, the porn -- it all just goes away, honey. And if the disk is destroyed there just ain't no way to get it back.

E 2 = (mc 2)2 + (pc )2
614C → 714N + e + ̅νe
2 K(s) + 2 H2O(l) → 2 KOH(aq) + H2 (g) + 196 kJ/mol
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29-12-2012, 11:55 PM
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(29-12-2012 11:46 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  
(29-12-2012 11:42 PM)Egor Wrote:  Well, sure; that's what happens to physical bodies. But what about minds? Huh

What happens when you wipe a hard drive?


Those memories, that information, those holiday photos, that folder full of pirated music, the porn -- it all just goes away, honey. And if the disk is destroyed there just ain't no way to get it back.
Brilliant analogy!
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30-12-2012, 12:02 AM
 
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(29-12-2012 06:53 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Hey Egor, are you by any chance referring here to the gnostic hyleticism/psychism/pneuma argument?

I have no idea what you're talking about. School me.

Quote:What is your "concept of Christ?" and how did you arrive at it?

Studying the Gospels independently, I came to the conclusion that Jesus was a monist. I'm not going to take the time to point out all the verses that I use to support that, but I can if I have to. When I discovered the Gospel of Thomas, I realized even more that Jesus was a monist. But if Jesus and God are the same, and if God is monistic in His nature, then what is the nature of Christ, I wondered. I settled on the idea that Christ was simply God conscious of Himself from within His creation. Just like a lucid dreamer is conscious of his own kind of divinity within a dream.

So, there isn't just supposed to be Jesus Christ. There's supposed to be Edward Christ and Mark Christ, et. al. We don't just follow Christ, we are transformed into Christ, and realizing that, I could think of no othe purpose a human being would have. It also made sense to me why humans were so different from all other animal species--because we were designed to become Christ.

Quote:Do you think you are God? (I'm not trying to belittle you....just asking)

Yes. So are you. We are dream images of God, thus we are the substance of God. It's funny you brought up narcissism, because this is what it's all about: God is the eternal narcissist. He creates a world and dream creatures and tries to get them to transform into Himself creating a perfect and Divine mirror--which He uses to behold Himself. That's the whole reason for existence.

It would seem vain, but if you were the greatest possible being, and if your nature was the definition of perfection, staring at yourself in a mirror would be the greatest and most perfect pleasure possible. And that's what God does--he stares at Himself. What else is there for Him to do?

I've had lucid dreams, a lot of lucid dreams, but I remember one in particular where three of the characters begged me to not forget them and to come back for them. I woke feeling unconditional love for them and regret that I could not get back. But what was I loving? Myself. They were of the substance of my mind.

That's what's going on with God.

I am God; you are God; everything is God. To fail to realize this makes you nothing more than a fucked-up drawing God simply crumples up and throws away--as an atheist, to God, you are an attempt that didn't pan out. The good news is, you can change that.

That's my sales pitch.

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30-12-2012, 12:11 AM
 
RE: King of Kings
(29-12-2012 11:46 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  What happens when you wipe a hard drive?
Those memories, that information, those holiday photos, that folder full of pirated music, the porn -- it all just goes away, honey. And if the disk is destroyed there just ain't no way to get it back.

How do you know? I mean the brain is nothing like a hard drive. In fact, memory isn't even adequately explained by neurology, neither is mind. That's why we have no real theory that holds up to scrutiny. As a member of the medical profession, I am amazed how we know everything about digestion, renal function, blood clotting, cardio-pulmonary function, but we don't have a clue about the mind. I'm in psychiatry now, and what makes me chuckle is we don't know how psychiatric drugs work. We think they cause certain changes in the way the brain handles serotonin and dopamine, but we have no idea how that affects the mind--because we don't understand the mind. The biggest, fastest computers in the world don't develop a mind.

So, I ask you again: How do you know? Because I'm starting to think maybe you don't. Consider



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30-12-2012, 12:16 AM
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"Everything is god" That sounds like pantheism to me. I'm completely OK with it. Many people whom I regard as the most brilliant individuals to ever live such as Baruch Spinoza, Albert Einstein and Jorge Luis Borges considered themselves pantheists. My problem starts to arise when you argue that you know the nature of that "god" through a bunch of 1st century palestinian writings.

If you consider god the "order" of all things, no problem. I simply consider it unnecessary to call that "god". However, if you consider god to be a "being" with consciousness, desires, intentions and emotions then you have just awarded yourself a very big BURDEN OF PROOF, and you don't seem to have a clue about how to meet it. As a great man once said, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", or in other words, "what is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".

In this particular case, the implications that your assertion would have if it was true are monumental. As you said, if it was true then we would really have a specific purpose, namely worshipping your magic jewish zombie. However, the evidence is simply not there. We should give this assertion as much importance as we give to the existence of Loki, Ra, Zeus, and all the thousands of dead gods that dwell in the delusions' graveyard we call "mythology".

TL;DR: Christianity is false, and we should be glad that is false.

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30-12-2012, 12:18 AM
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I could ask the same, Egor. You might also want to look into recent advances in neurology, by the way. I think we're a bit farther ahead than you realize.



If you're god, why can't you cast spells? Like Jesus? His Level 3 spell of Healing made quite the splash in the Middle East, allegedly, so if you're god, just like him, why can't you heal others?

And what is the incentive to be god, or a reflection of god, if you don't get magic powers? Heaven? That's nice, but I think even eternal bliss could become boring after a while. Do you go to hell if you don't become god? Why? Or do non-godly people simply cease to exist? And if so, then why should I care about your religion in the slightest if I have no desire of visiting your "heaven"?

E 2 = (mc 2)2 + (pc )2
614C → 714N + e + ̅νe
2 K(s) + 2 H2O(l) → 2 KOH(aq) + H2 (g) + 196 kJ/mol
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