Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
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04-08-2016, 04:19 AM
RE: Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
(03-08-2016 08:33 AM)SYZ Wrote:  Brunei? GDP = $9 billion.
NZ? GDP = $169 billion.

These are both inconsequential players in the overall makeup of international trade. Who cares what they agree to?

US GDP = $18 trillion, and China GDP = $12 trillion as comparisons.

Australia's major trading partner is China, with $81 billion worth of exports and $57 billion worth of imports in our favour.
NZ is the largest Dairy exporter in the world.
USA have put many trade blockers in our way because they see us as an economic threat to them.
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04-08-2016, 04:23 AM
RE: Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
(03-08-2016 05:15 AM)DLJ Wrote:  SG:

Wikipedia Wrote:The People's Action Party has won every election since self-government in 1959.
Singapore seems dodgy to me. What democratic country doesn't switch governments from time to time?

They also seem heavy handed on the public.
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04-08-2016, 05:50 AM
RE: Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
(04-08-2016 04:23 AM)Stevil Wrote:  Singapore seems dodgy to me. What democratic country doesn't switch governments from time to time?
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A wealthy one. People vote for economic stability.

Also, the opposition is disorganised and represents the extremes of the bell-curve.

SG is more of a meritocracy than a democracy so, smart and politically passionate people join the PAP to get things done.

It's essentially a one-party socialist 'philosopher king' business model.

btw, look up modern meritocracy on Wikipedia and it says ...

5.1 Singapore.
5.2 Ecuador (see Singapore)

Love that!

(04-08-2016 04:23 AM)Stevil Wrote:  ...
They also seem heavy handed on the public.

True. Freedom of expression laws are archaic (from the British Empire via the Indian penal code) but the culture has out-paced the laws so it's not like North Korea or anything like that.

For example, Statue 377a states that homosexuality (male) is illegal but no one will ever be arrested for it.

With an 80/20 ratio of conservatives to progressives it's easier to mark a law as 'policy expired' than actually go through the motions of changing it on the books.

There's a history to all this...
It's a young country (51 years on Tuesday) and they emerged from chaotic, high-crime, bloody beginnings.

There's an undercurrent of a siege mentality and you'll realise why once you notice that 50 years ago their fledgling armed services were trained by the Israelis... it's not a coincidence.

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04-08-2016, 09:38 AM
RE: Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
(04-08-2016 04:19 AM)Stevil Wrote:  NZ is the largest Dairy exporter in the world. [...]

~Reuters: 28 Mar, 2016:

China once helped drive global dairy demand but its stockpiling of powdered milk sent prices plunging and has left farmers in the world's top milk exporter, New Zealand, struggling to stay afloat and its agriculture-dependent economy facing risks... New Zealand's dairy sector was until recently the backbone of the economy, representing around 25% of exports, but in the past two years farmers have had NZ$7 billion wiped off their collective revenue...

Today, around 85% of farms run at a loss, leaving them fighting to stave off bankruptcy and forced farm sales...

The Reserve Bank of New Zealand warned this month that stress tests showed banks would report losses ranging between 3% and 8% of their dairy exposure, depending on the severity of the price plunge... Weak dairy prices will have a "significant negative impact on the wider economy" said BNZ Head of Research Stephen Toplis.

—So... no, don't trust the Kiwi's economy. Sadcryface

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04-08-2016, 10:28 AM
RE: Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
(04-08-2016 04:19 AM)Stevil Wrote:  
(03-08-2016 08:33 AM)SYZ Wrote:  Brunei? GDP = $9 billion.
NZ? GDP = $169 billion.

These are both inconsequential players in the overall makeup of international trade. Who cares what they agree to?

US GDP = $18 trillion, and China GDP = $12 trillion as comparisons.

Australia's major trading partner is China, with $81 billion worth of exports and $57 billion worth of imports in our favour.
NZ is the largest Dairy exporter in the world.
USA have put many trade blockers in our way because they see us as an economic threat to them.

The US sees everything as a threat to them. I mean, they tried to interfere in our Brexit referendum because it wasn't in their interests.
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04-08-2016, 10:52 AM
RE: Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
(03-08-2016 08:34 AM)SYZ Wrote:  
(03-08-2016 06:01 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  I met one Kiwi in my life (RL that is) -- a guy living in California, doing whatever work he could find.... He was on an expired tourist visa....

We kept him on working at the bar for a couple months..

Good guy, with some wild stories.....

We trusted him anyway.....

Did any of his stories involve sheep and gumboots? Big Grin

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04-08-2016, 11:13 AM
RE: Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
(04-08-2016 04:19 AM)Stevil Wrote:  ...
NZ is the largest Dairy exporter in the world.
USA have put many trade blockers in our way because they see us as an economic threat to them.

Obama mentioned (in the above speech at 36:20) 18,000 tariffs imposed on them from other countries that would be "knock[ed] out".

Of course, it was a US press conference in the US for the consumption of the US audience so he wasn't going to mention the tariffs that would be knocked out to the benefit of NZ.

Do you have any details on that from the NZ perspective? Details of the TPP are hard to find.

(04-08-2016 10:28 AM)Lucipurr Wrote:  ...
The US sees everything as a threat to them. I mean, they tried to interfere in our Brexit referendum because it wasn't in their interests.

Isn't that what the people of every country expect their government to do: to assess risks and benefits from that country's perspective? Isn't that their job. Smile

I'm not up to date on Brit-news... obviously they aren't involved in the TPP but are there any noises about the TTIP since BREXIT?

... and when I say 'news' I don't mean The Daily Mail; I mean the 'reading between the lines' news.

Cheers.

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04-08-2016, 11:20 AM
RE: Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
(04-08-2016 11:13 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(04-08-2016 10:28 AM)Lucipurr Wrote:  ...
The US sees everything as a threat to them. I mean, they tried to interfere in our Brexit referendum because it wasn't in their interests.

Isn't that what the people of every country expect their government to do: to assess risks and benefits from that country's perspective? Isn't that their job. Smile

I'm not up to date on Brit-news... obviously they aren't involved in the TPP but are there any noises about the TTIP since BREXIT?

... and when I say 'news' I don't mean The Daily Mail; I mean the 'reading between the lines' news.

Cheers.

Not that I've heard recently. Oh and I hate to make assumptions, but do you read the Guardian by any chance?
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04-08-2016, 11:46 AM
RE: Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
(04-08-2016 11:20 AM)Lucipurr Wrote:  
(04-08-2016 11:13 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Isn't that what the people of every country expect their government to do: to assess risks and benefits from that country's perspective? Isn't that their job. Smile

I'm not up to date on Brit-news... obviously they aren't involved in the TPP but are there any noises about the TTIP since BREXIT?

... and when I say 'news' I don't mean The Daily Mail; I mean the 'reading between the lines' news.

Cheers.

Not that I've heard recently. Oh and I hate to make assumptions, but do you read the Guardian by any chance?

I grew up with the Grauniad (sic) and the Observer. Prided myself on being able to do an Araucaria crossword within an hour. One of the better rags over there but one still needs to read between the lines.

But I've been out of the UK for over 10 years.

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04-08-2016, 11:51 AM
RE: Kiwis, Singaporeans, Chileans and Bruneians ... Do You Trust Them?
(04-08-2016 11:46 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(04-08-2016 11:20 AM)Lucipurr Wrote:  Not that I've heard recently. Oh and I hate to make assumptions, but do you read the Guardian by any chance?

I grew up with the Grauniad (sic) and the Observer. Prided myself on being able to do an Araucaria crossword within an hour. One of the better rags over there but one still needs to read between the lines.

But I've been out of the UK for over 10 years.

Shy

Ah, fair enough. I don't particuarly like the DM or the Guardian. Sometimes I like to venture into the opinion section of the Guardian to laugh at SJWs though.
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