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19-10-2015, 05:05 PM
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(19-10-2015 05:03 PM)notsure Wrote:  
(19-10-2015 02:45 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  I love my Gwynnies! Heart

That stuff you linked is a bunch of bullshit. I don't understand why you cannot do your own research. Huh

What's a Gwynnie? Rolleyes

Because I don't want to get sucked into it, I basically just want an easy answer since I thought some people might've been through this already!

A Gwynnie is the essence of space and time. She is the beginning and the end. Cantor is her prophet. Gwynnie on! Worship Slaves
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19-10-2015, 05:06 PM
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(19-10-2015 03:16 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  Hello,

I can't imagine approaching a group of strangers and asking them to do unpaid work for you. You've got cajones Tongue.

Welcome to the forum

Haha, it was more if someone had been through something similair and had some answers, why not learn from others mistakes? Smartass
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19-10-2015, 05:16 PM
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(19-10-2015 03:37 PM)morondog Wrote:  Hi OP Smile

Welcome to the forum.

Quote:So what do you have as a 'base' of your identity and life?
Can you find peace without a religion?
Can you find peace without always thinking of work?

Base for identity and life? I dunno. I just wake up every morning and do stuff. Lucky for me, I have enough money and a strong economic position that my life is pretty comfortable. I work hard (I think) but it's not soul-destroying. So life is enjoyable.

I am pretty well at peace with myself. I used to be worried about all kinds of stupid things, like dying and feeling that my life was pointless. Like worrying about girlfriends and that kind of thing. I find exercise is good to keep me happy, and I am interested in lots of things, so I don't need some kind of religion to fill a void in my life. Also I decided worrying about dying is silly because life is happening right now and I can worry about dying later - briefly.

For the peace without work thing, most certainly. Why do we attach value to work? If you stopped working, would *anyone* give a shit, really? So what's the point of killing yourself with work? Do your daily work, then knock off and forget about it. You have free time - *use* it. Don't be a damn fool and give yourself ulcers working overtime for some company who will be very happy that you made them lots of money. That's not living. That's being a twit.

Regarding debunking - maybe later if I can be bothered. It's really not that hard. Mostly it's a case of "why if this shit is so hot, is it not mainstream science?" and then there's all the "it's a conspiracy, that's why" nonsense. If *any* of those charlatans ever came up with anything good scientists would be all over it - they *love* new discoveries. Those idiots rely on the general public not knowing how the scientific method and peer review works.


Love your answer my friend!

It's less of filling a void and more of a reason not to stress in life, something deeper, something more, something to relax on, something that doesn't dissapear when shit hits the fan...get it?

I've found love to answer a lot of my questions, love for my fiancé, love for what I do, love for my friends and love for my fellow human beings.

About the debunking, I'm looking for answers...claims that gives reaffirmation of certain things makes it very easy to believe in it and hard to refute it.
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19-10-2015, 05:26 PM
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(19-10-2015 03:41 PM)Simon Moon Wrote:  
(19-10-2015 01:44 PM)notsure Wrote:  Hi! Blush

I'm a guy from Sweden so as you might understand I was born an atheist (still am) and I don't necessarily believe in any religion.

Here is the thing, I have questions about life and death. As a lot of us have.

Lately I've been finding peace from these questions with thoughts about religion.

I don't want to become religious but for some reason I'm thinking it will be the only way for me to be 'happy' (read as at peace).

So, you would rather lie to yourself just to be happy?

I want top have as many true beliefs, and as few false beliefs as possible. Believing in something just because it makes me happy is anathema to me.

Quote:As I'm in no state and under way too much stress to debunk certain things myself (That I found when googling...of course).

Then don't fall for it without doing your own research.

Quote:As I said, I don't want to become religious but I'm starting to find peace in the idea of having a religion.

How would you even go about forcing yourself to believe something you know is loaded with unsupported crap, and fallacious arguments?

Quote:I do think that I can find peace in other things than religion but whenever I google this stuff there are always these 'true believers' that seem so convinced and fundamental and the 'sad and angry' atheists arguing for the sake of arguing.

There are 'true believers' convinced in all sorts of unsupported, illogical crap. The conviction with which someone believes something, offers zero evidence that the crap they believe is true.

Maybe we're 'sad and angry' because we see the acts carried out by 'true believers' being convinced of their unsupported BS?

People's beliefs do no live in a vacuum. Their beliefs inform their actions. These actions often lead to real world, negative consequences.

Would you prefer that people's actions are informed by evidence, logic and reason, or ancient texts written by superstitious Bronze and Iron Age goat herders?

Quote:So what do you have as a 'base' of your identity and life?
Can you find peace without a religion?
Can you find peace without always thinking of work?
(I'm quite the workoholic myself).

Reality.
Yes.
Yes.


Quote:And here are the articles that I would love to have debunked into tiny pseudo science pieces!

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...531AAdF8RT
(The Best Answer Part)

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_36.html
(Yes, it's what you can expect haha)

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_...index.html
(Especially the 'advanced' things)

There is nothing to debunk.

If it is so amazing that these things are supposedly found in Koran, why weren't the best and brightest Muslim scholars of centuries ago, able to make scientific predictions using the passages?

Find me one Muslim from, say, 600 years ago, mention anything about dinosaurs, the speed of light, or describe sub-atomic particles?

Forcing religious texts to comport with modern science is ridiculous. With enough tortured interpretation, anything can be found in religious texts because the wording is so vague and poetic.

Science is not written in vague and poetic language. It is written in well defined terms, exact language and math.

While I do believe you are an atheist, a critical thinker you are not.


Not sure how to quote, but here we go!

Yes I'd rather be happy!

Because it can give me peace in certain questions.

Yes, Science as we know it today is written as you speak, I agree with you!

Ok, maybe that's why I'm asking for help!
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19-10-2015, 05:30 PM
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(19-10-2015 03:46 PM)Banjo Wrote:  You're interested in Islam? That religion that keeps destroying international treasures such as the Temple of Palmyra?

Temple of Palmyra/

Check out its status to the right of the page.

The Nobel peace prize has been awarded to only 12 muslims. 7 of them for their work against Islam and for peace in the middle east.

1 for science and 2 for other scientific studies. This is out of a total of 573 Nobel Prizes!

Kind of pathetic, would you not agree?

Islam like christianity, and the gods of New Guinea, is a sham.

I am not flaming you but advise you "man up" and face the fact you get one life. I for example, have a deadly disease. It could strike me down anytime. I don't sit at home and worry about my life. I just have to fight. And I am not alone. One look out my window shows me wild birds at war, constantly fighting for their lives and the lives of their chicks.

Islam is a barbaric religion. If you join then decide to leave, the penalty is death! Not too free or enlightened eh?

About 1000 years ago Islam was enlightened, then some religious nutcase outlawed knowledge and it has been a backwater ever since.

They have not even built a railway in the middle east. They buy all weapons of war from the West, whom they condemn. Except for their beloved AK47 and MIg fighter planes. Which routinely get shot down by F15's. I think the F15 has 40+ kills with no losses.

As Unbeliever showed you, your essayist is a known BS artist. We call them Peddlers of woo.

If you have two hours, watch this debate where a representative of Islam is destroyed by a physicist.






It is possible to live a happy life without gods, because gods don't now or ever did exist. And yet people are happy.

Especially monotheistic gods. Only one of such creatures in the entire universe? He or she would go insane. No wonder only insanity comes out of their mouths in the holy books! Either that, or insane humans wrote the books. I ask you, which is more likely?

My advice is you be happy you got to live at all.

Good luck.


I know I have one life, I'm trying my best. It's the uncertainty that makes me stressed out, I don't even mind one life if I can live it to the fullest. I'm just trying to find answers!

I'm glad you're giving it your all despite your circumstances!

I'm watching the video right now, finally the professors time to speak!

I don't agree on your views of Islam though, I can understand why you would think that but I don't agree that it's a barbaric worldview. I've seen a ton of loving people with that worldview.
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19-10-2015, 05:37 PM (This post was last modified: 19-10-2015 05:42 PM by GenesisNemesis.)
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Quote:So what do you have as a 'base' of your identity and life?

My worldview, my values, my experiences, and my interests.

Quote:Can you find peace without a religion

Sure. There is no reason to think that you can only find peace with religion. That's not to say it's easy. It does require a lot of self-examination. I wouldn't claim to be at peace, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.
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19-10-2015, 05:46 PM
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(19-10-2015 04:06 PM)jockmcdock Wrote:  Welcome to the forum, notsure.

Just looked at your second reference and it states "Up until 20 years ago, it was believed that the smallest particles were the protons and neutrons which comprise the atom. Very recently, however, even smaller particles of which these themselves consist were discovered." 20 years ago?? You've got to be kidding me. JJ Thompson discovered the electron in 1897!! And it's much smaller than a proton or a neutron.

Discard that reference. The idiot who wrote it is...well...an ignorant idiot. I chose that one at random, but it doesn't inspire confidence in the other two. For more information on subatomic particles, here's a wiki page...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o...iscoveries

This stuff is readily available. It took me about a minute to find it. As houseofcantor says, you need to do your own research. if you try and can't find anything, then post. but at least try.

May I ask how old you are? I'm not being snarky, I just think it's relevant. If you're between (say) 13 and 23, it's natural to have doubts. That's part of the job description. At the age of 16/17, I was pretty impressed with von Daniken's ideas. How embarrassing! Trying to take in ideas and having trouble getting my head around them is dead set normal. And, of course, those age limits are not strict: everyone has their own limits, some very much wider than most other people.

May I also ask why you think adopting a religion would make you feel more at ease? it seems like you would be signing away some of your autonomy to a being who almost certainly doesn't exist.

jennybee made a couple of suggestions: yoga and meditation. I've never engaged in either myself, but I can see how inner contemplation could be of great value to many individuals. Plus yoga is good exercise.

But based on my complete ignorance of you personally, and in the spirit of jennybee, here are a few suggestions.

Physical exercise: take up 10 km running, 3 or 4 times a week. Start off slowly.
Physical exercise: take up a martial art, 3 or 4 times a week.
Reading: read some Bertrand Russell, Wittgenstein, Richard Dawkins (ignore what the hysterics say about him). Include a bit of Harry Potter.
Humour: get onto youtube and watch/listen to Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, George Carlin, Ylvis...the list goes on and on.
Photography: I'm not talking about taking photos of your mum and dad and your little sister (although that's inevitably par for the course). Look at composition, exposure, depth of field etc.

Of course, it's quite possible neither jennybee's suggestions nor mine are of any interest to you. I suggest that's not the point. You're looking for something and, in my opinion, you're looking at something that's not going to satisfy you (you don't actually believe). It'll be just a comfort blanket.

Best of luck.

Awesome reply.

Thanks for posting that, I'm in the upper end of age spectrum!

About adopting a religion, I'm drawn to it...to the beauty of endless love like that, just looking up in the sky and enjoying the view because it's beautiful and not ask why it is beautiful. As you said a comfort blanket, albeit temporary, you're right. I want to believe but I can't so I'm looking for confirmation biases and I know that I'm looking for that so that's the reason I went here. Great talk Consider

I guess there are possibilities to live without a religion and still have purpose and enjoyment.
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19-10-2015, 05:50 PM
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(19-10-2015 05:37 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  
Quote:So what do you have as a 'base' of your identity and life?

My worldview, my values, my experiences, and my interests.

Quote:Can you find peace without a religion

Sure. There is no reason to think that you can only find peace with religion. That's not to say it's easy. It does require a lot of self-examination. I wouldn't claim to be at peace, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.

Thank you Blush
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19-10-2015, 07:12 PM
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(19-10-2015 05:03 PM)notsure Wrote:  
(19-10-2015 02:45 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  I love my Gwynnies! Heart

That stuff you linked is a bunch of bullshit. I don't understand why you cannot do your own research. Huh

What's a Gwynnie? Rolleyes

Because I don't want to get sucked into it, I basically just want an easy answer since I thought some people might've been through this already!

The only easy answer is a combination of presuppositionalism and post-hoc rationalization. These "science of god" essays are all cut from the same cloth. Peeps start with a belief in god and then mix in the science - a watered-down simplified version of the science. Just google "quran science debunked," and you'll find cult-free rational exposes presented by the multitude.

"I love my Gwynnies" references my absurd, silly, totally whack infatuation with Gwyneth Paltrow. It's a whole 'nother story. Tongue

But peace, happiness, joy, tranquility; yeah I got that after spending sixteen thousand hours or so staring into her eyes and drawing her lines.

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19-10-2015, 07:49 PM (This post was last modified: 19-10-2015 07:52 PM by Siz.)
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(19-10-2015 01:44 PM)notsure Wrote:  I don't want to become religious but for some reason I'm thinking it will be the only way for me to be 'happy' (read as at peace).

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one - George Bernard Shaw

I found embracing the meaninglessness of god-free (not god-less) existence rather refreshing and liberating. Laugh into the face of the abyss. Go off and stick your middle finger up the bum of human morality... or wherever else it feels good! Be objective. Read Nietzche.

When one sleeps on the floor one need not worry about falling out of bed - Anton Lavey
If god had meant us to believe in him he would've existed - Linda Smith
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