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11-12-2012, 06:16 PM
LGBT ramble
For those of you, who do not know what "LGBT" means.
It stands for the community of:
L - Lesbians
G - Gays
B - Bisexuals
T - Transsexuals
More about the community itself : http://www.google.com

I feel the need to speak up a little, because something bothers me. The LGBT community can by now speak up in a lot of countries but even in those countries they are still socially not very accepted.

LGBT are commonly being reduced to their sexual preferences when that point is just a small part of a Lesbian, a Gay, a Bisexual, a Transsexual.
It is mostly about your emotions, about how you feel towards other people and how you feel about yourself.
I can, of course, feel for Lesbians, Gays, and Transsexuals a lot, and I understand many of their problems with society, I wanna talk from my perspective as a Bisexual.
So no, this is not a big outing, I have briefly mentioned it in this forum, my family and friends all know that. I simply don't make it a secret > but I also do not carry a banner with me.

First of all I feel bothered by being told that:
1. I just can't decide what gender I like to have sex with.
2. This is just a phase.
3. I just like to have sex with a woman when I am in a relationship with a man.
4. I am not bisexual, I am actually pansexual
5. If I didn't have sex with both men and women, I am not bi.

Answers to those things:
1. Wrong! I can very well decide who I want to have sex with. And I decide to not make the GENETALIA of a person an issue! I like both, the male and the female body, period.
2. No, this is not just a phase. I felt that way since I was a CHILD... pretty long phase, as I am 28 now.
3. I am dedicated to the person I am with! I am right now, and hopefully for the rest of my life, married to a man. I enjoy his company, his personality, and yes also the sex. I would never betray him!
4. Fuck all the cherry picking. Invent a few more words, to make it all even more complicated for the community, will you? You know how they make the distinction between bisexual? bisexual is about sex and pansexual is about the person. Bullshit. That's new, it is the love for "no I am not in that box" or "no I want it to sound nicer". Fuck it! I love who I love.
5. I happen to have never had sex with a girl. I am just too frigging shy, k? Most women are, as I found out, because I did some dating! Men are more likely to have the guts to do the first step, when it comes to sex.

Yes... ooooh. I love who I love, ok?
I fell in love with girls before. My first serious crush was my best friend back then. She never knew, or at least she never brought that up, she is and always was straight, and I did not wanna ruin the friendship over that, so I shut up.

Now back to geneneral LGBT community:
Against the stuff, uneducated people think is true, this is normal and natural and has always been.
> There have always been women who loved women.
> There have always been men who loved men.
> There have always been people who did not care about the genetalia.
> There have always been people who felt, they are born with the wrong sex.

It is not something new on this planet and it is not limited to primates! A childhood friend of mine had a gay guinea pig!!
Some countries make a bigger deal out of it than others. Was it Russia that had 5 genders? I even read about a country that officially had 8 genders!
It is all about the so-called gender identity and how I feel towards other people.
In my case, whenever I have the chance (like on G+) I will avoid to click "female" as my gender. And when asked directly about my love-preferences, I will answer truthfully.
The fact that I am married to a man, does not make me straight, sorry to disappoint. My husband actually has some good fun with me on the beach or in town, at summer time, or just watching sideboobs on tv...

Still, why do I even feel the need to explain this?

Look, I am not forcing anyone to read this stuff, if you read it and you don't like it, gtfo.
If you read it and you are interested, wonderful, always happy to inform people about all kinds of stuff.
But this is mainly for those who think they have it all figured out and use the arguments of lazy people, that this is not natural and should not be allowed. Those people should read threads like this one, or articles about the topic, or TALK to someone in the community. Try to approach us without being biased, please?

One of the things that are very much discussed right now is the thing about marrying. Yes, I think samesex marriage should be legal everywhere. Like Ellen's wife Portia mentioned so nicely, it is very nice to actually be able to make the relationship with your partner this official. Without being married you are being smiled at, there aren o "real" bounds or limitations. If you don't wanna anymore, you break up. Marrying someone as opposed to live together is a completely different level, in society.
Actually, even if you only do it for tax advantages, why would a same sex couple not have the same right and access to these advantages??? I mean they do pay taxes as everyone else, don't they, so what's the problem?

The next point is the hate towards everyone who is not completely straight. This goes to the point of it being frigging illegal in some countries! Seriously? The simple fact that someone (also) loves people of the same sex, or does act up on the feeling of not being the correct gender, can and is being made illegal in so many places on this planet is outragous! It is outragous. Everyone has a frigging right to love whoever they want and to express their feelings however they want! And yes, this is a right. Noone has the authority to make me a criminal for the way I feel and love!

No, we, the people in the LGBT community, are not a thread to your children, we are not committing a crime.
Human race should start making steps forward, in the right direction, and not stay there, in one spot for hundrets of years. New info should not raise little wars, new info should be considered. Just like the info that Transsexuals very very often do not have a mental problem called "Transsexuality" but a mental problem caused by not being accepted as what they are, and not being given the right or even freedom to express themselves. I would LOVE LOVE Lilith back in the forum, to speak to you about this, she really has a clue about Transgender/Transsexuality. And btw, just saying. Why is it being made such a big deal that people who are Transsexual sometimes go ahead and get surgery to make their bodies fit their mind? They are not having fun with that. It is long, painful, and very expensive process. I find it wonderful that finally there are ways to do this nowadays. Many people have been made very happy with those surgeries. Is the only reason, why people talk against it, is because the surgery is dangerous, and the people are born that way? Come on. There are people born with gene defects that appear as physically obvious things. Transsexuallity, is often a problem with the hormones in the womb of the mother.

I know this may be all a little unorganized but just bear with me... I am really tired 2:14 am here. I'll probably add stuff after sleeping... But this had to be vented, because it bothered me.

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12-12-2012, 07:02 AM
RE: LGBT ramble
I never understood these "communities" and these "sexuals"... It good to be like me, perfect.

Everyone I know that is in some kind of these "organizations" is a fucking retarded and delusional.

Not saying that is my view on the LGBT people, but the people that are involved in these organization, at least here in Croatia, are just ... well idiots. They give a good cause a bad name.

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12-12-2012, 07:19 AM
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During one my Portuguese courses in Porto my teacher (a girl who was actually a couple of years younger than me - only mention it so that you know she wasn't from an older generation or something) asked me how I would react if my child told me he/she was gay. I gave it a thought and told her it wouldn't matter one way or the other (the only possible reason I might be upset - and upset's not the right word - was if I lived in a very intolerant country, because that would mean my child was going to suffer discrimination. But seeing as I'm much more prone to speak up for others and defend their rights more than my own, I might have just become a gay rights crusader or somethingWink). (For the record, my teacher told me it would bother her.)

Also, a lot of specialists claim we are all bisexual, only - to varying degree.

I remember reading an interview with Cillian Murphy (who's played a crossdresser, as well as a woman) in which he said that to him someone's sexuality is the least interesting part of their personality (made me like him even more Heart ). Seriously, someone's sexuality would only be important to me if I, myself, was romantically interested in that person. Other than this, it's just another part of what makes them who they are.

You know what else bugs me? People saying that transsexual people should just accept their bodies and be gay. Ignorance of such proportions really drives me up a wall.

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12-12-2012, 07:23 AM
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Quote: I am really tired 2:14 am here.

GTFO you witch!!

Just after I read this line I looked down at the time.. 2:14am...

Quote:3. I am dedicated to the person I am with! I am right now, and hopefully
for the rest of my life, married to a man. I enjoy his company, his
personality, and yes also the sex. I would never betray him!

but... we...

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People are just ignorant.
"Unnatural"
ORLY??

I believe you are mistaken fucktard Drinking Beverage


Oh and "some countries make it illegal", HEAPS of countries make it illegal. That's not the issue, the issue is when it's punishable by death...

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Just to give the straight people an idea of the level of intolerence in this world and what we are ultimately dealing with. I do have to laugh at South Africa though.

Oh but.. ya know..it'll degrade the meaning of your marriage.. so we can't have that now can we.
Oh and of course there is mankind to think of, first it's same-sex marriage, nek minute mankind dies out..
Hmm, perhaps it's not such a good idea afterall?

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12-12-2012, 07:25 AM
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(12-12-2012 07:02 AM)Filox Wrote:  I never understood these "communities" and these "sexuals"... It good to be like me, perfect.

Everyone I know that is in some kind of these "organizations" is a fucking retarded and delusional.

Not saying that is my view on the LGBT people, but the people that are involved in these organization, at least here in Croatia, are just ... well idiots. They give a good cause a bad name.
ohhh fuck yes.
I do have to admit that certain LGBT people are not helping the cause at all..

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12-12-2012, 07:38 AM
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I used to be very homophobic until I was about 18. I put it down to ignorance and also peer pressure.

We live and learn.

When I was a youngster I also remember everytime I heard something about HIV/AIDS then it would allways state that it was "rife" in the gay community. I wonder what they base that information on? I know that gay people can be promiscuous in the same way I know that straight people can be. Consider

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12-12-2012, 07:47 AM
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What Ive noticed is that the "lgbt" tends to get longer and longer, almost like people need to "out-tolerance" the next. Gay people arnt trannies most of the time. Why not just use the word the applies at the time?

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12-12-2012, 07:53 AM
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I like this acronym better: LGBTTIPQAH (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Transvestite, Intersexual, Pansexual, Queer, Asexual and Heterosexual) Big Grin

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12-12-2012, 08:18 AM
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Filox: I am not an official member of any organisation of that kind. But still I feel the need to speak up. I am pretty confident that I am nopt making a fool of myself or paint a silly image. Yes, some organisations are pretty stupid and stubborn, but that is the case for all kinds of organisations, not just LGBT.


BlackKnight: That is actually one point that bothers me. There are some difference that are not really differences. There are groups of people being included that are simply fetishes, like crossdresser. And there are new words being invented just to say "no! I am not part of that group! don't say that to me!" See my example about bisexual and pansexual. Who cares really?

I don't feel the the need to lengthen the "word" LGBT just to put every subgroup and every fetish in as well.The major groups are lesbian, gay, bi, and trans, the rest are subgroups and do not need to be mentioned extra. >> Which does not mean that they should be unrecognized. And yes, that made sense, think again.

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12-12-2012, 08:18 AM
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(12-12-2012 07:38 AM)bemore Wrote:  I used to be very homophobic until I was about 18. I put it down to ignorance and also peer pressure.

We live and learn.

When I was a youngster I also remember everytime I heard something about HIV/AIDS then it would allways state that it was "rife" in the gay community. I wonder what they base that information on? I know that gay people can be promiscuous in the same way I know that straight people can be. Consider
The HIV/AIDS misconception springs from the type of sex (anal), as it is prone to causing more tearing or fissures or whatever the right word may be. Also - before people knew what was going on with HIV/AIDS there wasn't that much reason for gay men to use condoms. So yeah, it's not that gay men are more promiscuous, it's about the type of sex and precautions (or lack thereof).

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