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23-03-2017, 08:55 AM
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FH does seem to provide some entertainment. His ignore list was very funny indeed. I hope he continues to show us updated versions of it.

I'd love to see how it evolves to include the whole forum, except for us "lucky" few that are exempt from that.

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23-03-2017, 09:29 AM
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I haven't read this entire thread but I'm going to defend what is probably a minority position here.

I oppose private property.

That doesn't mean, like people will often assert, that I think just anybody should be able to come inside my place and piss on my sofa. It's my opinion that ownership should be based on a social contract (not a legal contract) that in order to "own" something you should have a real physical connection to the item. I don't think someone should be able to have legal dominion over property they've never even been to just because they have a piece of paper proving they bought it.

I understand that many of you are clever enough to point out several reasons why if implemented this vision of society would be tremendously flawed. Some of them entirely correct. I want to be clear that I am not claiming I have any solution to create some kind of utopian paradise. I am saying I want there to be a shift in consciousness about how we think about private property and what it really should mean to "own" something. Even if you think my position is too strong I think many of you will agree that the disparity of wealth, a world with billionaires and starvation, that we live in today is insane and unacceptable. Whatever your take on private property and the right to build personal wealth reinforced by the rule of law is I hope everyone gets that what's going on now is unsustainable, cruel, and most importantly not the only reality possible.

There's a bottom threshold that we should be determined not to let our fellow humans fall under.

Starvation. Homelessness. No health access to professional health care.

We can get past this shit. Fred Hampton may be dogmatic and annoying but I don't think he's a troll. I think he sees injustice and wants to address it. I respect that.
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23-03-2017, 10:07 AM
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I understand the frustration with wealth disparity, but the abolition of private property will not solve that. There are two ways of fixing that disparity, and the US won't do either. The first is to increase the taxes on the wealthy, and I mean INCREASE. Strengthen the estate tax, increase corporate income taxes, and bring capital gains taxes up to line with personal income taxes. Then increase the income brackets and HIKE the marginal tax rate on the highest bracket up. Data suggests a tax rate of up to 60% is effective, although I can't tell if that's a marginal or effective rate. My bet is for the highest earner this would be the effective tax rate.

The other way to solve the problem is to strengthen unions and collective bargaining. I have mixed feelings about this one, partially because I have bad experiences with unions. I won't deny they do good things, but they do corrupt and cause problems of their own.

I actually read Marx at one time and while he wasn't wrong in some cases his solution is unworkable. A sufficiently large society can't function as a communist system. Pure capitalism requires all actors to be perfectly informed and perfectly rational, which is also impossible. This is why we generally have mixed systems. We haven't found the right mix yet although I can think of the way things might be made better.
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23-03-2017, 10:29 AM
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Even though your solution is very different than mine I feel that I can support both lines of thought simultaneously. Maybe that defies logic because you believe in private property and I don't so that means there's an obvious contradiction. I don't give a shit. I still support everything you said. The real world is complicated. Our thinking doesn't have to be linear. I'd rather we tried a different direction but what you're saying is better than what we have now and far more realistic than my radicalism.

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For what it's worth I've read the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital. It's always been anarchist literature that really gets my balls tingling. If my balls governed the world we would all be showered in joy. That's no lie. They should run for president.
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23-03-2017, 10:39 AM
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(23-03-2017 06:15 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  As a fucking nutbag, I contend that the leading cause of homelessness in the US is fucking nutbaggery. Tongue
If by "nutbaggery", you mean The System, you would be correct and plz collect your door prize on the way out. Smile
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23-03-2017, 10:42 AM (This post was last modified: 23-03-2017 11:24 AM by Fred Hampton.)
RE: Landlordism Causes Homelessness
(23-03-2017 08:55 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  FH does seem to provide some entertainment. His ignore list was very funny indeed. I hope he continues to show us updated versions of it.

I'd love to see how it evolves to include the whole forum, except for us "lucky" few that are exempt from that.

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Glad ye art entertaineth'd, Mom. Uh, so do I get banned if I get too many of those poopy "bad" reps, clicked upon by very bad cowardly poopy people? Or can I get unlimited # of "bad" reps. I get over this hump, me thinks I'm home free.

(Note: all iggys are subject to appeal and or bribes, general groveling, etc. Ty, COMMIE MANAGEMENT).
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23-03-2017, 11:13 AM (This post was last modified: 23-03-2017 11:19 AM by Fred Hampton.)
RE: Landlordism Causes Homelessness
(23-03-2017 10:07 AM)natachan Wrote:  I understand the frustration with wealth disparity, but the abolition of private property will not solve that. There are two ways of fixing that disparity, and the US won't do either. The first is to increase the taxes on the wealthy, and I mean INCREASE. Strengthen the estate tax, increase corporate income taxes, and bring capital gains taxes up to line with personal income taxes. Then increase the income brackets and HIKE the marginal tax rate on the highest bracket up. Data suggests a tax rate of up to 60% is effective, although I can't tell if that's a marginal or effective rate. My bet is for the highest earner this would be the effective tax rate.

The other way to solve the problem is to strengthen unions and collective bargaining. I have mixed feelings about this one, partially because I have bad experiences with unions. I won't deny they do good things, but they do corrupt and cause problems of their own.

I actually read Marx at one time and while he wasn't wrong in some cases his solution is unworkable. A sufficiently large society can't function as a communist system. Pure capitalism requires all actors to be perfectly informed and perfectly rational, which is also impossible. This is why we generally have mixed systems. We haven't found the right mix yet although I can think of the way things might be made better.
Mr. natachan, first of all, thank you for actually being one of the few here to address the topic in a civil manner. Second, from here on out I am just going to say "communism", so everybody will be sufficiently and Pavlovianly shaking in their shoes. PLUS, so I dont have to keep typing "socialism-communism--which takes foreVAR. Now, in order:

1) Communism does work, in large societies. Mao's relatively short and amazing run at the helm was the best example to date. The USSR had some great things going on too, thats why they went from a backwater feudalistic society to the #2 superpower in the world in just ~30 yrs. Communism works. But people have to work for it. This subject has been covered thoroughly, by me, on the 'Anarcho-Commie" thread. If communism didnt work, capitalists wouldnt keep trying to destroy it everywhere. And, I'm not going to argue anymore about Mao. This debate is settled and the communists have won.

2) Ok, so you are thinking more FDR, Euro, Bernie Sanders style "democratic socialism" or, more specifically, "Keynesian" tax redistibution in a downward direction and that is certainly far preferrable to not doing that in capitalism. FDR had the rich pricks paying up to 95%. But you are correct, the US capitalists HATE that, and that's why they fight it and thats why it doesnt go anywhere until you conduct a serious class war to either get them to give in some or completely fold and usher in communism, the latter being called a "revolution". Good luck. IT IS A CLASS WAR!

3) Unions, yeah, I was in a trade union for many years, it's the "working class aristocracy", but it still only gives you a barely getting over type of living, compared to millionaires/billionaires. Please refer back to 2) for the "why" part(CLASS WAR). The early US labor battles to establish unions, etc, were the bloodiest in history. It's a war, people, I keep sayin'. Power does not yield itself except through a DEMAND!

Let me ask you this: why do you love millionaires and billionaires so much that you must defend them at all costs to your own personal well being?
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23-03-2017, 11:49 AM
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It's Ms. nata, but let's move on

No, communism does NOT work. There are reasons there are so few around today, and the ones that do currently exist are considered hell holes. In a communist society resource control needs to be centralized, and while this is fine in small groups it leads to problems with larger ones. Part of that is the fact that society contains a certain percentage of assholes. As your society gets larger the sheer number of assholes gets larger. When you centralize power and you have a large number of assholes those assholes who crave power are going to exploit that. It gets a bit more complicated, but your end result is simply that it does not work at large scales.

Now I'm not sure what "Keynesian" tax systems are, but if the one I propose looks like that whatever. I based it on current data for income disparity and tax rates. That is what the data seems to suggest would work. Effective tax rates much above 60% cause problems of their own and seem to stifle growth and innovation. Effective tax rates below about 40% increase income inequality. My proposed 60% is a drastic action meant to start the shift towards major changes that need to be made so that later adjustments can be made that will be more favorable.

I find it odd that you say I love the super rich when what I am proposing would more than double their effective tax rate. In many cases more than that, since the taxes on capital gains are almost nothing. But if you want to know, yes, I think millionaires and billionaires should be able to enjoy their wealth. I think that is important in order to encourage innovation and reward those who do innovate. The current list of richest people in the US includes innovators like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. These men DESERVE their wealth, and I would not begrudge them it. They have improved my quality of life immensely, and I am happy for them. Others on that list got there by stock trading, and an increase such as I would put on high frequency trading and the hike of the capital gains tax would DEVASTATE these people's wealth. It would be no more.

Changes that I've proposed would decrease income inequality, increase quality of life for all, and still not quash innovation.
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23-03-2017, 11:51 AM
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How sad is it that poor little Freddy Hampton reckons it's a guaranteed killer to post a screen dump of his "Ignore" list. I'm still laughing!

How old can we guess he is? I'd say probably around 16 to 18, at high school maybe, still living with his impoverished parents, and socially and sexually repressed with obvious self-aggrandising tendencies.

(It's a pity he won't see this comment as I'm (thankfully) on his ignore list. It's obvious that he ignores anybody who shoots down any/all of his absurd opinions about... well... just about everything LOL.)

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23-03-2017, 12:28 PM
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Wow. I'm on his ignore list. I teased him a little but I thought we were cool. It goes to show how NOT to act if you want to build sympathy around your cause.

If you look through my posts my politics are at the core very much at odds with the prevailing sentiment around here but look at the difference in how we're received.

I tried to tell him he was just alienating people.

I doubt I've convinced anyone of anything either but at least if people don't hate you they might think well maybe his ideas have a little merit.

Oh well.
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