Poll: Should Prostitution be legalized
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01-12-2013, 08:30 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 08:18 PM)sporehux Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 08:01 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  dude,equating prostitution and slavery makes no sense.
All slavery is forced. Not all prostitution is forced

Slavery was not all forced, people had no where else to go, its all they knew.
they only way they could make money to feed their children,

Sound Familiar ?

"When prostitution is accepted by a society as sex work, it becomes even more difficult for poor women and girls, socialized into an ethos of self-sacrifice, to resist economic and familial pressures to enter prostitution. As the numbers of prostituted women and girls expand, a small but still significant percentage are murdered by pimps or customers.
Those women fortunate enough to survive sexual exploitation emerge, usually in their 30's, when they are no longer marketable commodities, with no job skills, traumatized from years of enduring unwanted sex and violence, and physically debilitated from sexually transmitted diseases and the substance abuse necessary to endure the sex of prostitution. What is available to these women? Destitution or a career as a madam or mama san, helping the pimps control the younger women who are marketable commodities".

you are describing the exact thing the legalisation of prostitution would prevent

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01-12-2013, 08:32 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 08:28 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 08:27 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  I have fapping, i don't need to pay to come

I occasionally have to pay for my smutty books. A lot are free on kindle, but some cost at least $1 Weeping
free HQ porn everywhere
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01-12-2013, 08:32 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 08:26 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  Also,spore,if you are against legalisation of prostitution,what is your opinion about the legal status of porn?

I've only got time for one crusade at a time, but nonconsensual/pressured porn is a big problem.

http://www.covenanteyes.com/2008/10/28/e...-industry/
"he California pornography industry is a destructive, drug infested, abusive and sexually diseased industry which causes severe negative secondary effects on female and male adult industry workers as well as the general public."

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01-12-2013, 08:34 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 08:30 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 08:18 PM)sporehux Wrote:  Slavery was not all forced, people had no where else to go, its all they knew.
they only way they could make money to feed their children,

Sound Familiar ?

"When prostitution is accepted by a society as sex work, it becomes even more difficult for poor women and girls, socialized into an ethos of self-sacrifice, to resist economic and familial pressures to enter prostitution. As the numbers of prostituted women and girls expand, a small but still significant percentage are murdered by pimps or customers.
Those women fortunate enough to survive sexual exploitation emerge, usually in their 30's, when they are no longer marketable commodities, with no job skills, traumatized from years of enduring unwanted sex and violence, and physically debilitated from sexually transmitted diseases and the substance abuse necessary to endure the sex of prostitution. What is available to these women? Destitution or a career as a madam or mama san, helping the pimps control the younger women who are marketable commodities".

you are describing the exact thing the legalisation of prostitution would prevent

Well why has it not worked in Germany / Amsterdam?

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politic...tion/5072/
"When the law changed to decriminalize brothels there really was widespread support. Many people naively believed that legalization and regulation would turn prostitution into a supposedly 'normal' kind of business. In the past five years, however, there’s been a shift back towards a broader consensus in the other direction, as we realize that things have gotten worse, that there are victims of trafficking still. It’s as if abuse is now carrying on with a legalized varnish."

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01-12-2013, 08:40 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 08:34 PM)sporehux Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 08:30 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  you are describing the exact thing the legalisation of prostitution would prevent

Well why has it not worked in Germany / Amsterdam?

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politic...tion/5072/
"When the law changed to decriminalize brothels there really was widespread support. Many people naively believed that legalization and regulation would turn prostitution into a supposedly 'normal' kind of business. In the past five years, however, there’s been a shift back towards a broader consensus in the other direction, as we realize that things have gotten worse, that there are victims of trafficking still. It’s as if abuse is now carrying on with a legalized varnish."

because the actions(i am talking about the ones that are listed there ) do not do anything specific against human trafficing.

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01-12-2013, 08:45 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
If you legalize Prostitution you advertise it as acceptable, the huge increase in customers will demand a huge increase in workers .
simple supply and demand.

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01-12-2013, 08:49 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
Also,(for those who said it should be legalized under strict regulations) what regulations do you propose?


I propose
1.use of condoms should be mandatory
2.testing for std's every week
3.workers should be 21+
4.workers should be tested on emotional stability
5.workers should be paid above minimum wages
6.workers should show no signs of physical abuse
7.should take a few english tests
8.the brothels should have secuirity guards


also,i would like to hear what spore would have against the legalisation with these regulations

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01-12-2013, 08:49 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 08:25 PM)sporehux Wrote:  Name a single "legal" thing that as god awful as prostitution ?

You're doing a terrible disservice to the exploited women by continuing to insist there's no difference forced vs. consensual. I gave the example of my friend who is, effectively, a prostitute. She loves it!! She's THRILLED with the arrangement. Frankly, I'd be too. Her husband could fuck me too for $60 million. She's not in any way being exploited.

Personally I think it's offensive that you keep insisting that there's no difference between someone like my friend in her posh house in Beverly Hills driving her Ferrari, and some poor girl from Cambodia who was shipped in a container to a foreign country where she's beaten and forced to have sex with men against her will.

The way you keep insisting that there's no difference between them, and that any distinction is purely academic, is frankly making light of the plight of those victims of human trafficking. Go to one of those poor sex slaves and tell her that in your opinion her plight is no different from the $5,000/hour high class independent escort/model. I seriously don't think you are showing real sympathy for the victims by lumping them together in the same category as non-victims.

There most definitely is a difference, and I think we'd do better to focus on helping REAL victims rather than passing puritanical laws that make it illegal for a woman to use her sexuality to her advantage.
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01-12-2013, 08:52 PM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2013 08:57 PM by Smercury44.)
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 08:49 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  Also,(for those who said it should be legalized under strict regulations) what regulations do you propose?


I propose
1.use of condoms should be mandatory
2.testing for std's every week
3.workers should be 21+
4.workers should be tested on emotional stability
5.workers should be paid above minimum wages
6.workers should show no signs of physical abuse
7.should take a few english tests
8.the brothels should have secuirity guards


also,i would like to hear what spore would have against the legalisation with these regulations

In my fantasy dream world I'd prefer the age be increased to 35 to give women a chance to explore other career options first, and make it a voluntary job. No pay, all proceeds to charity. That way only women who TRULY want to have sex with strangers all day sign up. But... That would never happen, so my vote would still be no

Edit: something they can do for fun in addition to whatever job they have. If enough women wanted to do this it could still be a 24 hr operation I think. They could see it as something fun to do, and something to help the community
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01-12-2013, 08:55 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
Dang! I wish I wasn't working today so I'd time to get more involved in this.

I'll read the whole thread when I get home tonight.

Quick observation though...

There seems to be some clarity required regarding legalising vs. decriminalising.

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