Poll: Should Prostitution be legalized
Yes, free from government and tax
Yes, with reasonable constraints and regulations
No, because it's immoral/dehumanizes people/causes psycological trauma
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01-12-2013, 09:17 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
Spore,please answer
(01-12-2013 08:49 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  Also,(for those who said it should be legalized under strict regulations) what regulations do you propose?


I propose
1.use of condoms should be mandatory
2.testing for std's every week
3.workers should be 21+
4.workers should be tested on emotional stability
5.workers should be paid above minimum wages
6.workers should show no signs of physical abuse
7.should take a few english tests
8.the brothels should have secuirity guards


also,i would like to hear what spore would have against the legalisation with these regulations

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(01-12-2013 09:09 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  Also,legalising prostitution would
1.benefit the health of the customers and the girls because you can regulate tests on STDs
2.be good for the state financially. Why waste money preventing all prostitution why the state can earn from it if its regulated?
3.de-stigmatise it,and creating a union that would work against off-the-street prostitution
4.the distinctions between "suga daddies" and prostitution are so small (soo small spore cant see the difference between forced prostitution and sugga dadies) yet one is legal and one is not,and this is only because the stigma
5.give the girls more protection under the law. If your proffesion is illegal,how big is the chance you turn to the police if shit happens? Whereas if you're doing something legal,how much bigger is the chance?

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01-12-2013, 09:17 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 09:13 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:09 PM)sporehux Wrote:  Yes, free from government and tax 12.50%
Yes, with reasonable constraints and regulations 75.00%
No, because it's immoral/dehumanizes people/causes psycological trauma* 12.50%

Maybe the Theists are right about Atheist morals.

the 75% atleast tries to fix the problem instead of leaving it a problem

12% want to eliminate it as much as possible and not have it as a possible career choice for cash strapped students.

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01-12-2013, 09:23 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 09:17 PM)sporehux Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:13 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  the 75% atleast tries to fix the problem instead of leaving it a problem

12% want to eliminate it as much as possible and not have it as a possible career choice for cash strapped students.

the 12% is happy is it is now(illegal). Wich is in it's current position,bad.
You are not eliminating things by making it illegal,you are only making the bizniz more profitable,thus increasing the pimps and increasing the girls.

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01-12-2013, 09:28 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 09:01 PM)sporehux Wrote:  Selling sexual intimacy degrades us all as a species. ...

That's crazy. There are lots of motivators, and like it or not, money is one of them. Say a woman has 2 suitors: one who is handsome and fit but dirt poor with no job and with no ambition, vs. another who is comparable in personality, slightly less attractive, but is a powerful CEO or politician. You seriously don't think many, if not most, women would factor in money when deciding which one to get intimate with? You don't think that 'successful and can provide for a family' is one of the things women put on their wish list? That's crazy IMO. People always have and always will intertwine intimacy and finance. And frankly it's no different in the animal kingdom. Do you think the lionness only picks the lion she thinks is “nicest”, and doesn't get “turned on” by a powerful lion who “owns/controls” a major plot of land (ie a large range)?

Source: Also, you're totally exaggerating the issue. In the Netherlands, only 10% of prostitutes have a drug problem. I'll bet the rate is not that much less in the general population. Further, only 10% are working the streets, where presumably pimps are most common, and nearly 1/3 either work from home independently, or at a high-class escort agency. Further, the report from Karina Schaapman condemning prostitution indicates that nearly all the violent pimps and exploited prostitutes are foreigners—not local Dutch. This means that legalizing it DOES work and make it safe, because otherwise Dutch prostitutes would also be exploited. Thus it's an immigration/trafficking issue more than anything. And the anti-prostitution mayor you referred to, Job Cohen, wrote: "It is not that we want to get rid of our red-light district. We want to reduce it.” Thus it seems that even the anti-prostitution side does NOT favor criminalizing it again, and they do want to leave it decriminalized, but just get a better handle on the trafficking of foreigners.

Thus, it seems it hasn't been the failure you suggest, and the only ones on the 'criminalize it' side of the debate are the puritanical right-wing'ers in the US, where it's already illegal. I don't see that countries that have legalized it ever want to go back to criminalization.
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01-12-2013, 09:32 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
I actually was expecting a much more feminist response to this thread saying to keep it illegal and get rid of porn, glad to see that we aren't just blindly liberal feminists like I originally had imagined.
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01-12-2013, 09:36 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 09:23 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:17 PM)sporehux Wrote:  12% want to eliminate it as much as possible and not have it as a possible career choice for cash strapped students.

the 12% is happy is it is now(illegal). Wich is in it's current position,bad.
You are not eliminating things by making it illegal,you are only making the bizniz more profitable,thus increasing the pimps and increasing the girls.

75% delusionally think that the increase in customers from legalization wont create a boom for the underground cut price market, creating an illegal unprotected sex work force many times greater than the one legalization was attempting to solve.

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01-12-2013, 09:37 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 09:12 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:04 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  Well, there we disagree then. Blush I think a lot of women (not all) give more emotional attachment to sex than sometimes even they realize.

a lot of people give emotional atachment to their job Drinking Beverage
also,you haven't said why they should get no pay for their work

An emotional attachment to your job is very different from the emotional attachment involved in sex. In my daily job, I'm emotional in the sense that I want to make sure my customer is getting what they ask for, I want to make sure they're business succeeds with my help. With sex, I want to put out intimate emotions, and get them in return. I'm not going to get that by doing random strangers. Like I said, this is pretty standard for women (not ALL I hate generalizations).

And, my edit added that the no-pay scenario would work if women did this on a voluntary basis in addition to whatever their regular job is. If women REALLY want to have sex with strangers, they'll do it without the lure of a big paycheck, which would corrupt the system, and lure in women who couldn't handle the emotional aspect of having sex with multiple partners.
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01-12-2013, 09:38 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
Alaina's Rules For Prostitutes

1. You must be 25 or over (I think 25 is a reasonable age to make the well thought through decision of being a prostitute)

2.  You cannot work on a street corner (brothels only) (start a union)

3. No water sports, blood play, or poop (it's unsanitary) 

4. Must do weekly testing for STD/STI

5. You must bathe with SOAP and brush teeth before and after clients

6. Make a SSC list of things you are and are not willing to do with clients (put it in your contract!)

7. Keep a panic button to hand 

8. No more than five people to a gangbang

9. Safe word duh!

10. You must take contraception and have it well documented/Use of condoms is NOT optional!

11. Keep up with your shot records 

12. Toys and equipment MUST be cleaned between clients

13.  Go to therapy

14. Learn self defense

15. No more than 5 clients a day (groups/couples not includes)

16. Take an hour break (not including lunch) between clients

17. No dating clients (no ifs ands or buts)



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01-12-2013, 09:42 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 09:36 PM)sporehux Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:23 PM)Lightvader Wrote:  the 12% is happy is it is now(illegal). Wich is in it's current position,bad.
You are not eliminating things by making it illegal,you are only making the bizniz more profitable,thus increasing the pimps and increasing the girls.

75% delusionally think that the increase in customers from legalization wont create a boom for the underground cut price market, creating an illegal unprotected sex work force many times greater than the one legalization was attempting to solve.
you think that the money made from leglisation of prostitution and the money saved to prevent all prostitution cant be better spend on preventing only the underground sexworkers. You also seem to think people would prever an unregulated,unsave and prone to SDT transmition worker over a regulated and saver worker.
You also forget to reply to post #151

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01-12-2013, 09:52 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 11:20 AM)sporehux Wrote:  "In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted suicide."
http://www.rapeis.org/activism/prostitut...facts.html
But why did they attempt suicide? It would be presumptious to assume
that prostitution led them to attempt suicide. More likely, they had other
problems, addiction, coming from low socioeconomic class, no good opportunities because of poor education, past abuse etc that may have contributed to the suicide attempt, as well as to the choice of prostitution.
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