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01-12-2013, 11:20 AM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2013 11:25 AM by sporehux.)
RE: Legalizing Prositution
(01-12-2013 11:07 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 10:56 AM)TheKetola Wrote:  ...
just like prohibition of alcohol,
...

You beat me to it.

Remind me again how Prohibition worked out in the end?

@sporehux,
What do you think your policy is going to do? Will it stop? Or will it be driven underground?

(01-12-2013 11:06 AM)sporehux Wrote:  ...
by legalising it we are indirectly telling our children that this a normal thing. When it's not..

Why isn't it? What is your moral (not social or financial) argument?

When people gulp down some Jack Daniel's or smoke a cig, the bottle or cigarette packet does not cry itself to sleep wondering if suicide would be such a bad thing.
"In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted suicide."
http://www.rapeis.org/activism/prostitut...facts.html

Like child spanking, just because its always been around does not make it acceptable.
I could list a thousand psych studies into the harm of prostitution, the onus is on the supporters to show why it should be allowed at all, let alone legalised.

It will go underground like child trafficking, we need to dig up the underground and root it out.
It cant be stopped any more than any other horror humans inflict on each other, but to not try is bullshit
Legalising it is to throw in the towel.

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01-12-2013, 11:37 AM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2013 11:43 AM by sporehux.)
RE: Legalizing Prositution
Im doing Taq, but what the hell.

“The demand should be criminalised. Women are in a position in society where circumstances push them into prostitution, but men have a choice. They don’t need to have sex available to them. By legalising prostitution men are being told by the Govt that it’s perfectly ok to purchase a woman. Women are not commodities to be bought and sold. Legalisation normalises something that is far from normal. The Swedish Model in focusing on the demand has also proven to be successful in reducing trafficking."

The laws on prostitution in Sweden make it illegal to buy sexual services, but not to sell them. Pimping, procuring and operating a brothel are also illegal. The criminalisation of the purchase, but not selling, of sex was unique when first enacted in 1999, but since then Norway and Iceland have adopted similar legislation, both in 2009.

Read this, the Swedish model does work, we don't have to resort to legalised inhumanity.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/...48854.html

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01-12-2013, 11:49 AM
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Sporehug, I recognize your position and respect it. I do not intend to debate you further on this, I have already laid out my reasoning and am convinced of it's legitimacy, but you may very well be correct, so I will not try to dissuade you.
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01-12-2013, 11:57 AM
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What he heck, my two cents, now I have to run to thanksgiving!!

I have to say, what consenting adults want to do is none of my business, but it bet that a lot of girls are only "consenting" in the sense that it's a way for them to make decent money. They didn't wake up one morning and say "hey, I'd really love to have sex for money, that'd be great!" Sure maybe some do, but I'd bet most of them do it because it's the only option to make money at the moment. Leading to the 75% suicide attempt status it sporehux pointed out.

Now If legalized, this gives even more girls the opportunity to make lots of money, it's now seen as a legitimate profession, so why not? These women won't learn other skills, they eventually will be too old / worn out / burned out to continue, then what do they do?

A lot of things are bad for society, but that doesn't mean they need to be legalized and regulated in order to fix the problem. I see it as an industry that harms it's workers, which won't be fixed just with legalization. Just MHO
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01-12-2013, 12:00 PM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2013 12:17 PM by sporehux.)
RE: Legalizing Prositution
(01-12-2013 11:49 AM)TheKetola Wrote:  Sporehug, I recognize your position and respect it. I do not intend to debate you further on this, I have already laid out my reasoning and am convinced of it's legitimacy, but you may very well be correct, so I will not try to dissuade you.
Well its my job to dissuade you then, its not hard, I dissauaded my self of the opinon that legalisation was for the best by researching it, Germany's legalisation has gone horribly wrong,


Just read the link article above and tell me you haven't changed your mind,
People just need the will to kill it off.

The Swedish model is exposing all the justifications for legalised prostitution as invalid.
To take the for argument you are already accepting its ok.

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01-12-2013, 12:07 PM
RE: Legalizing Prositution
(01-12-2013 09:34 AM)TheKetola Wrote:  I read an article today on legalizing prostitution, and was curious if anyone here had some sort of refutation of the idea.

Having lived in Las Vegas for a good amount of time, I can tell you that sin makes for a great city. The tourism industry pays to reduce the prices for flights to Vegas, extravagant hotels and casinos make huge contributions to the cities overall budget, and brothels are also a major contributor to the tax revenue on a county level alongside the alcohol and cigarette tax, the city/state (Nevada has basically three cities, one of them is a town, and the other is the state capital, which I'm pretty sure doesn't actually exist) runs on sin, and it runs pretty well despite the massive ghettos that flood the southern portion because all of these business find it in their best interest to contribute to the community.

Link: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-ameri...on-2013-11

Prostitution isn't exactly legal in Nevada. There are a few "state" sanctioned brothels -- but they're not in the city of Las Vegas.

And it doesn't stop Vegas' problem with street prostitution. Many tourists think it's legal and they're immune somehow...but that's not the case.

Over-all I do think legalizing it won't stop the unscrupulous Jon's from coercing young grils/boys from it. I've kinda come to conclusion that it's a slippery slope.


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01-12-2013, 12:10 PM
RE: Legalizing Prositution
Areas like Las Vegas have made a killing off of providing an area where people can go to gamble, drink, party, and buy prostitutes, but I wonder if it would be as profitable if these things were legal (or even encouraged, as they are in Vegas) all over the states. I think it would lose a lot of its appeal for many people.

(01-12-2013 10:10 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  It should be legal. If it's legal you can regulate it which protects the safety of the girls involved as well as their customers (health standards).
It also gets them off the streets and into brothels some times which is a good thing for safety also.

You can also tax it.

It's damaging to keep it illegal, I mean it's gonna happen anyway, better to address the "issue" and control it.

I agree with the above. I think a lot of the 'immorality' surrounding sex professions is fabricated. There's only a stigma because of society's shameful view of sex in general, and particularly the woman's role. I think this goes back to religion, frankly, and the more we as a society get away from Christianity, the more we can embrace sexuality and stop treating it as something shameful and immoral. My opinion.

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01-12-2013, 12:16 PM
RE: Legalizing Prositution
(01-12-2013 12:00 PM)sporehux Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 11:49 AM)TheKetola Wrote:  Sporehug, I recognize your position and respect it. I do not intend to debate you further on this, I have already laid out my reasoning and am convinced of it's legitimacy, but you may very well be correct, so I will not try to dissuade you.

Just read the link article above and tell me you haven't changed your mind,
People just need the will to kill it off.

The Swedish model is exposing all the justifications for legalised prostitution as invalid.
To take the for argument you are already accepting its ok.

I have read your links, which is why I have come to understand your position, it hasn't changed my mind, maybe it will in time, but not today, sorry.
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01-12-2013, 12:17 PM
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I don't know about legalization (prostitution is legal in Greece), but I believe that if a woman wants to have sex for money, why shouldn't she?

Yes, definitely the majority is forced into it, but I have to admit that it has crossed my mind to do it since it seems they do make a lot of money (I'm not talking about brothels, just call girls who work independently) and my family is having a really rough time financially.

The lack of money that has serious effects on the health of the people you love is a very strong incentive. Sadly, I couldn't possibly do it.

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01-12-2013, 12:19 PM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2013 12:34 PM by sporehux.)
RE: Legalizing Prositution
(01-12-2013 12:17 PM)undergroundp Wrote:  I don't know about legalization (prostitution is legal in Greece), but I believe that if a woman wants to have sex for money, why shouldn't she?

Yes, definitely the majority is forced into it, but I have to admit that it has crossed my mind to do it since it seems they do make a lot of money (I'm not talking about brothels, just call girls who work independently) and my family is having a really rough time financially.

The lack of money that has serious effects on the health of the people you love is a very strong incentive. Sadly, I couldn't possibly do it.

You could sell a kidney, just some physical scars then, not life crippling emotional ones.

Maybe I have it wrong, but the men who procure paid sex would have to be empathy deficient to such a degree that they would likely treat their mark as a rape target.
In Nevada, where prostitution has been legalized, the rape rates are the 4th highest in the country.

Purchasing women as sex objects , contributes to an acceptance of "she deserved it " rapes.

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