Poll: Should Prostitution be legalized
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02-12-2013, 08:28 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(02-12-2013 07:14 PM)sporehux Wrote:  We found that countries where prostitution is legal tend to experience a higher reported inflow of human trafficking than countries in which prostitution is prohibited.

No shit because if you're a prostitute in a poor country, starving and in total despair, are you going to go to a country where it's legal and you can be a legitimate member of society with the same legal protections and safety-nets as everyone else? Or are you going to a country where it's illegal and you're likely to land in jail?

(02-12-2013 07:14 PM)sporehux Wrote:  The ones with such an empathy impairment they could not care less for the hollowed look of despair on their purchase.

It pisses me off that you keep throwing out the word 'empathy' when you make it clear you don't give a fuck about these girls; you just don't want them to live in your country.
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02-12-2013, 08:40 PM
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We cal all agree that with or without the legalisation of prostitution,the illegal sex trafficing will go on.
Infact it will increase because the demand will get bigger because the population grows(methinks).
But,we can decrease the suffering and inhumane conditions for a signifficant amount of janes and johns by making it legal. That should already be enough to justify the legalisation.
Plus,the police can focus on the human trafficing instead of arresting the girls who have it better from the extra tax income they get.

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02-12-2013, 08:59 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(01-12-2013 09:34 AM)TheKetola Wrote:  I read an article today on legalizing prostitution, and was curious if anyone here had some sort of refutation of the idea.

Having lived in Las Vegas for a good amount of time, I can tell you that sin makes for a great city. The tourism industry pays to reduce the prices for flights to Vegas, extravagant hotels and casinos make huge contributions to the cities overall budget, and brothels are also a major contributor to the tax revenue on a county level alongside the alcohol and cigarette tax, the city/state (Nevada has basically three cities, one of them is a town, and the other is the state capital, which I'm pretty sure doesn't actually exist) runs on sin, and it runs pretty well despite the massive ghettos that flood the southern portion because all of these business find it in their best interest to contribute to the community.

Link: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-ameri...on-2013-11

I chose the second to last option because it causes deaths, unwanted pregnancies and therefore abortions, and any money the government makes would be spent on government programs helping its various victims.
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02-12-2013, 09:00 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(02-12-2013 08:59 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:34 AM)TheKetola Wrote:  I read an article today on legalizing prostitution, and was curious if anyone here had some sort of refutation of the idea.

Having lived in Las Vegas for a good amount of time, I can tell you that sin makes for a great city. The tourism industry pays to reduce the prices for flights to Vegas, extravagant hotels and casinos make huge contributions to the cities overall budget, and brothels are also a major contributor to the tax revenue on a county level alongside the alcohol and cigarette tax, the city/state (Nevada has basically three cities, one of them is a town, and the other is the state capital, which I'm pretty sure doesn't actually exist) runs on sin, and it runs pretty well despite the massive ghettos that flood the southern portion because all of these business find it in their best interest to contribute to the community.

Link: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-ameri...on-2013-11

I chose the second to last option because it causes deaths, unwanted pregnancies and therefore abortions, and any money the government makes would be spent on government programs helping its various victims.

Oh, really? Do you have any facts to back up those assertions?

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02-12-2013, 09:12 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(02-12-2013 08:09 PM)sporehux Wrote:  Not a fair fight I don't insult easy Smile

Answer one thing though.

Would society be better off with prostitution eliminated (well as much as possible)

No, it wouldn't.

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02-12-2013, 09:26 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
I remember reading a report about how a bunch of Americans protested "sweatshops" and got one clothing company to stop using one of them. They interviewed the workers who were "freed" from the sweatshop, and it showed that:

1. To the workers it wasn't a "sweatshop". It was a factory, and the largest employer in their town, and the closure was really hard on them.

2. Some of them ended up traveling to the city to work as prostitutes when they couldn't find other work.

I'm sure the Americans were well-intentioned, and, in their mind, thought they were doing good by shutting down the "sweatshop". They thought they were "freeing" those workers, and never imagined they were condemning them to be sex workers and victims of human trafficking. The point is that people don't think through the consequences of their actions. It made them feel good about themselves to get the factory shut down, so what happened to the workers wasn't important. Same thing here.
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02-12-2013, 10:06 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
Holy crap you guys sound like theists twisting things around.

1. I want to use violence / False

2. Use derogatory words for sex workers / False. Was in context of the clients point of view and in sarcasm.

3. Don't care about the workers or what happens to them if they can't do sex work. / False . I'm in favour if the swedish model of counseling and career advise, use the parole model without the jail threat, unemployment benefits.

These people need rescuing from a hell society is ignoring.
But people want choose to ignore this hell, and build a little regulated gentleman's club on top of it and then pat themselves on the back .

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02-12-2013, 10:15 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
Spore, what you say is right, but you fail to see the complexity of the matter, prostitution is not the same as sex trafficking. Your argument is similar to saying that we should make shoes illegal because some companies have slave labour factories in china (or something to that effect)

What we think is that legalizing prostitution will make a dent in the human trafficking networks.

I guess we could add making any unauthorized prostitution illegal, or maybe just the demand of unauthorized prostitution so your side of the argument is also taken into consideration. Both things are not mutually exclusive because sex work and sex traffic are not the same.

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02-12-2013, 10:24 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(02-12-2013 10:06 PM)sporehux Wrote:  3. Don't care about the workers or what happens to them if they can't do sex work. / False . I'm in favour if the swedish model of counseling and career advise, use the parole model without the jail threat, unemployment benefits.

No, it's true, because _IF_ you gave a fuck what happened to them you'd be willing to take a minute to address that issue, instead of ignoring it and just repeating how much you don't want sex workers in your country.

Even in the Swedish model it's inhumane imo because nobody is willing to talk about what happens to the girl. They just want her out of their sight. I suspect most of these girls were already prostitutes in their home country before coming to Sweden. And they're likely illegal immigrants without working papers, so it's not like they can get a legal job in Sweden. Therefore, if you make it illegal for John's to hire them, and their clientele dries up, then they just have to go back to their home country, where they'll continue to be prostitutes but under MUCH worse conditions for even lower pay.

If you cared at all about the girls, why, after 25 pages, are you unwilling to even contemplate what their life was like before that put them in this position in the first place, and what you're condemning them to when you send them back.

It's not like you've done research or considered it and made a decision that it's in their best interest to be sent back home. You won't even talk about it. You just want them out of your sight so it makes you feel better. To me that's selfish, not empathy.
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02-12-2013, 10:51 PM
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Well you off base by a mile, surprised your not accusing me of wanting to gas them.

Prostitution is inhumane, eventually we will evolve to realise this and chalk it up as another black mark against our history like slavery and domestic violence.

Leagalising will protect some of the existing workers but will open the flood gates for a whole new generation of young women to it.

You are just making excuses for condoning it, as if your brain washed into thinking its socially acceptable.
I get accused of not thinking it through yet I seem to be the only one who has.

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