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07-05-2016, 11:51 AM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(07-05-2016 10:48 AM)Dom Wrote:  I think it should be legalized and treated like any other job, except with mandatory health checks.

Whenever you look at something that continues to be practiced for a long time despite being illegal, it needs to be decriminalized and managed properly. The stigma needs to be removed, and, in this case, the pimps.

I think that is too general. Lots of things are practiced and have been for a long time that should not be legal. But I do understand your point and agree as it pertains to this subject. Legalize it and regulate it just like any healthcare job.

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07-05-2016, 12:20 PM
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What's so complex about the issue of prostitution and its legal and social status is that there isn't one type of prostitution, but several. Some of them, while still illegal, are so rarelly procecuted they might be called legal. Others are subject to intervention of police forces against organised crime. Personnaly, I divide prostitution accordingly.

1) Courtisanerie: AKA very high class prostitution. Most of those prostitute are young, healthy, fit and insultingly beautiful. They have mostly chosen it as a carrier and will be active for a few years. They mostly delve in that domain for ease to make lots and lots of money, but also contacts. The stereotypical exemple would be those unknown models escorting politicians, important business man and famous people in gala, and other soirée mondaine. Most of those persons are working solo or through a modelling agency for ease of contact. This perticular type should be legal since it's relatively low risk and, ironically, low profile.

2) Specialists: AKA professionnal prostitute who delve in specific fetishism, pornstars or those who offer the «girlfriend/boyfriend experience». Most of those prostitute are older, work in close house or from their home. They offer classes and initiation to their specific area of expertise. The stereotypical exemple who be the dominatrix whose visited by curious couples or single person. Most of them are working solo or through an online agency and interview their client doing business with them. This perticular type should also be legal since it provide usefull services to the population, is relatively safe for the prostitute and low profile.

3) Escorting and erotic artists: AKA nude dancers and mundane escorts. This is the most devisive group. Most of those prositute are willing to exercise their job and usually do it for short amount of time as a part time job. It's relatively safe and tame, but the close contact between those bars and studio to organised crime put them at massive risks of entrapment and violence, not from their clients, but from their employers. The strereotypical exemple is a student dancing in bar twice week to pay her tuition or a recent immigrant working some dept. This pertiular type should be legalised and heavily regulated by the government to reduce the organise crime stranglehold on those working places.

4) The Desperate street prostitution: AKA those we see in shady streets. Most of them are poor, desperate, struggling with toxicomania, dept, no diploma, poor mental and physical health and social isolation. Though they mostly chose that carreer let say it wasn't a false choice. This is the type we should try to see illiminated. We don't need men or women who see 15 clients a day to pay off their drug dealers. They need to be offered a real futur and those exploiting them should be procecuted.

5) The sex slaves: Like above exept they don't even give the illusion of choice. Many are kidnapped and torture victims. There is no doubt that slavery should be illegal and no one is arguing for it right now (maybe some crazy asshole, but we don't care about them).

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07-05-2016, 12:47 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
THIS IS AN EDIT: I was answering this post by Vosur, with my reply. I didn't realize until just now that it wasn't on my post.


(07-05-2016 02:21 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Bump!

I was doing some research on this topic today and came across a surprising poll that was conducted back in 2013. It shows that a majority of women (57%) in the US oppose the legalization of prostitution while only a minority of men (40%) do the same.

Why do you think that is? Consider

We are a product of our culture, like it or not. Our history of a male dominated society is still with us today. Men used shame to control women and even used shame to have the women they controlled control other women so, yes, women shame other women. Men also shame other men. Nothing new there.

This is another reason why feminism is important, so women can learn to be supportive and not finger pointers for whatever the reason (religion induced shame being a huge one here). Women also vote against their own best interest, look at Repub women voting away their rights. This is not equal nor independent thinking, it's cultural indoctrination or lazy groupthink and it too is a control mechanism.

The idea that more women than men want to keep it illegal has many factors.

Devaluing a product - sex
Dehumanizing/objectification
Health risks increase - disease
Health risks increase - abuse
Higher risks of child sex trafficking
Criminal activity risks increase
Poverty risks increase
Higher risk for unintended pregnancy (higher risk for abortion necessity, higher risk for children born into poverty/abuse)
Society denouncement
Financial security risks

All of these things are at much higher percentage for this industry and even though there are men in this field of work the majority is still women. So you can see that cultural/religious shame is not the only reason more women want it illegal. Because of feminism where women are taught to value women they don't want to see other women flushing their potential down the proverbial toilet.

Men on the other see a product they desire that would be cheaper, more readily available and disposable with little risks and very few of them to him long term, except for possible pregnancy and disease, both of which he also has control over. That they support legalization more is understandable, they get the majority of the benefits without much risk or responsibility. Nothing new there. Whereas, maybe the "more women" who choose illegal see (at this point in time) the end product in a more realistic future, creating an entire class of legal sex slaves.

I have no cultural bias on this issue, your body-your choice BUT that being said I want it to be an educated choice NOT a choice of desperation both for women and men. We don't have that kind of equality in our country or culture, not yet. No one should ever go into prostitution because they are uneducated, poor, drug addicted, can't find work or desperate to feed themselves or their family. People should be able to choose what they want to do for a living but they should not be forced into it by unfortunate circumstances. That is not prostitution, that's sex slavery.

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07-05-2016, 02:18 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(07-05-2016 11:47 AM)Heatheness Wrote:  
(07-05-2016 10:31 AM)Blackhand293 Wrote:  So you skipped this one: This is another reason why feminism is important.
and this one Because of feminism

Also I was responding to the ideologically influenced list of outcomes you posted you know the one where you claim that legalization would lead to legal sex slavery because reasons?

That is why I claimed you were blinded by an ideology.

And you added/edited 50% more post to your original post...wtf?

I altered a few point a few minutes after posting, as I decided to make it more legible and to ask a few pointed questions to you. no new post had been made after I made the edits to the post.

Please respond to the points raised in the post, stop dodging the question.

The requirement of evidence to back your claim does not disappear because it hurts your feelings, reality does not care about your feefees.
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07-05-2016, 02:20 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(07-05-2016 12:47 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  THIS IS AN EDIT: I was answering this post by Vosur, with my reply. I didn't realize until just now that it wasn't on my post.


(07-05-2016 02:21 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Bump!

I was doing some research on this topic today and came across a surprising poll that was conducted back in 2013. It shows that a majority of women (57%) in the US oppose the legalization of prostitution while only a minority of men (40%) do the same.

Why do you think that is? Consider

We are a product of our culture, like it or not. Our history of a male dominated society is still with us today. Men used shame to control women and even used shame to have the women they controlled control other women so, yes, women shame other women. Men also shame other men. Nothing new there.

This is another reason why feminism is important, so women can learn to be supportive and not finger pointers for whatever the reason (religion induced shame being a huge one here). Women also vote against their own best interest, look at Repub women voting away their rights. This is not equal nor independent thinking, it's cultural indoctrination or lazy groupthink and it too is a control mechanism.

The idea that more women than men want to keep it illegal has many factors.

Devaluing a product - sex
Dehumanizing/objectification
Health risks increase - disease
Health risks increase - abuse
Higher risks of child sex trafficking
Criminal activity risks increase
Poverty risks increase
Higher risk for unintended pregnancy (higher risk for abortion necessity, higher risk for children born into poverty/abuse)
Society denouncement
Financial security risks

All of these things are at much higher percentage for this industry and even though there are men in this field of work the majority is still women. So you can see that cultural/religious shame is not the only reason more women want it illegal. Because of feminism where women are taught to value women they don't want to see other women flushing their potential down the proverbial toilet.

Men on the other see a product they desire that would be cheaper, more readily available and disposable with little risks and very few of them to him long term, except for possible pregnancy and disease, both of which he also has control over. That they support legalization more is understandable, they get the majority of the benefits without much risk or responsibility. Nothing new there. Whereas, maybe the "more women" who choose illegal see (at this point in time) the end product in a more realistic future, creating an entire class of legal sex slaves.

I have no cultural bias on this issue, your body-your choice BUT that being said I want it to be an educated choice NOT a choice of desperation both for women and men. We don't have that kind of equality in our country or culture, not yet. No one should ever go into prostitution because they are uneducated, poor, drug addicted, can't find work or desperate to feed themselves or their family. People should be able to choose what they want to do for a living but they should not be forced into it by unfortunate circumstances. That is not prostitution, that's sex slavery.

Well I see it more as a competitive thing than cultural thing. Think about it. You are a woman looking for a man. In a word where prostitution is legal and is regulated, you are slowly removing men from wanting to be in relationships. Things like herbivore men and MGTOW are already gaining traction. When you legalize prostitution you open up a new door for men, one where relationships are not needed. Most women want a relationship when it comes to men, this isn't to say men don't want one either, but it is way easier for men to have sex without the need of a relationship.

Now when you legalize it the question comes up to why men would want to get into relationships? In the world today men have to do a lot for a woman, hell getting her to become interested in dating you is hard enough. Then you have to go over money you are going to spend on her, what you need to do to impress her, how to keep her happy. And sometimes, how to keep the relationship up, kids, and even divorce. With legal prostitution, why go through all that trouble for sex. Why waste time and money trying to impress a woman for some sex, when I can simply pop out 50 dollars for sex when I want it?

To add it isn't just a money aspect either, it is a performance aspect. For a woman who wants a relationship you are going to have to put effort into it. But with a prostitute, you find the one you like, pay her, go into a bed room, and the sex you don't have to try. You are not there to impress her but to just bust a nut and move on.

Prostitution isn't so much have problems because of what happened, that is very little of it, the problem is women don't want men to leave them in the dust. They don't want to be lonely because men don't want to commit. Hell it shows, part of the reason that men are not getting married as much is because of the fact that marriage is not a factor is sex anymore. If you were to say, hey men you don't need to be in a relationship for sex, they will go for that. Hell, some women don't even want sex robots.

In short it the root of it all is pretty much the ape brains of humans. And in females it is pretty much "Me don't like competition, me don't like females getting in way, me must stop this from taking men, I like men." Though it is not said like that, this is part of the basic thought we all have. It is part of the reason why men approve of prostitution more than women. For women it is "holy crap this will take away my chances of mating" while men it is "Holy crap I can increase my odds of mating." So it isn't a patriarchy is why thing, it is a I don't want my chances of finding a man to decrease thing.

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07-05-2016, 02:46 PM (This post was last modified: 07-05-2016 02:53 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(07-05-2016 02:20 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Well I see it more as a competitive thing than cultural thing. Think about it. You are a woman looking for a man. In a word where prostitution is legal and is regulated, you are slowly removing men from wanting to be in relationships. Things like herbivore men and MGTOW are already gaining traction. When you legalize prostitution you open up a new door for men, one where relationships are not needed. Most women want a relationship when it comes to men, this isn't to say men don't want one either, but it is way easier for men to have sex without the need of a relationship.


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The very idea that women either do not or cannot seek out and enjoy casual sex as much as men belies a cultural assumption that sits at the very core of the problem, a double standard in what is both expected and culturally acceptable for male and female sexuality.


Men and women don't need legal prostitution to get laid, all they need is alcohol and music. Dates, bars, clubs, the classic one-night-stand, and various other new social media tools (Grinder, Tinder, etc.) have made it easier than ever before for people to scratch their mutual itches. Not only that, but prostitution is legal already; provided you have a third party present to video tape the proceedings. Look at the skyrocketing divorce rates, and the slow down in married couples among millennials; traditional relationships are already experiencing a paradigm shift. Long term relationships without marriage are becoming far more common. Not only that, but maybe if people no longer feel that the only acceptable sex is that with whom you are married too, maybe (just maybe) we wouldn't have so many teenagers marrying their high-school sweethearts and getting into bad relationships that only end in divorce later; because only by getting married can those two people have an 'acceptable' sexual relationship.


All things being equal, women should have just as much access and freedom to enjoy casual sex without guilt or shame as men already do.

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07-05-2016, 04:10 PM
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(07-05-2016 12:20 PM)epronovost Wrote:  What's so complex about the issue of prostitution and its legal and social status is that there isn't one type of prostitution, but several. Some of them, while still illegal, are so rarelly procecuted they might be called legal. Others are subject to intervention of police forces against organised crime. Personnaly, I divide prostitution accordingly.

1) Courtisanerie: AKA very high class prostitution. Most of those prostitute are young, healthy, fit and insultingly beautiful. They have mostly chosen it as a carrier and will be active for a few years. They mostly delve in that domain for ease to make lots and lots of money, but also contacts. The stereotypical exemple would be those unknown models escorting politicians, important business man and famous people in gala, and other soirée mondaine. Most of those persons are working solo or through a modelling agency for ease of contact. This perticular type should be legal since it's relatively low risk and, ironically, low profile.

2) Specialists: AKA professionnal prostitute who delve in specific fetishism, pornstars or those who offer the «girlfriend/boyfriend experience». Most of those prostitute are older, work in close house or from their home. They offer classes and initiation to their specific area of expertise. The stereotypical exemple who be the dominatrix whose visited by curious couples or single person. Most of them are working solo or through an online agency and interview their client doing business with them. This perticular type should also be legal since it provide usefull services to the population, is relatively safe for the prostitute and low profile.

3) Escorting and erotic artists: AKA nude dancers and mundane escorts. This is the most devisive group. Most of those prositute are willing to exercise their job and usually do it for short amount of time as a part time job. It's relatively safe and tame, but the close contact between those bars and studio to organised crime put them at massive risks of entrapment and violence, not from their clients, but from their employers. The strereotypical exemple is a student dancing in bar twice week to pay her tuition or a recent immigrant working some dept. This pertiular type should be legalised and heavily regulated by the government to reduce the organise crime stranglehold on those working places.

4) The Desperate street prostitution: AKA those we see in shady streets. Most of them are poor, desperate, struggling with toxicomania, dept, no diploma, poor mental and physical health and social isolation. Though they mostly chose that carreer let say it wasn't a false choice. This is the type we should try to see illiminated. We don't need men or women who see 15 clients a day to pay off their drug dealers. They need to be offered a real futur and those exploiting them should be procecuted.

5) The sex slaves: Like above exept they don't even give the illusion of choice. Many are kidnapped and torture victims. There is no doubt that slavery should be illegal and no one is arguing for it right now (maybe some crazy asshole, but we don't care about them).

Ok.... number 5 is no where close to prostitution, and number 4 is the reason that many want it legalized and regulated.
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07-05-2016, 04:52 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(07-05-2016 04:10 PM)Matt Finney Wrote:  
(07-05-2016 12:20 PM)epronovost Wrote:  What's so complex about the issue of prostitution and its legal and social status is that there isn't one type of prostitution, but several. Some of them, while still illegal, are so rarelly procecuted they might be called legal. Others are subject to intervention of police forces against organised crime. Personnaly, I divide prostitution accordingly.

1) Courtisanerie: AKA very high class prostitution. Most of those prostitute are young, healthy, fit and insultingly beautiful. They have mostly chosen it as a carrier and will be active for a few years. They mostly delve in that domain for ease to make lots and lots of money, but also contacts. The stereotypical exemple would be those unknown models escorting politicians, important business man and famous people in gala, and other soirée mondaine. Most of those persons are working solo or through a modelling agency for ease of contact. This perticular type should be legal since it's relatively low risk and, ironically, low profile.

2) Specialists: AKA professionnal prostitute who delve in specific fetishism, pornstars or those who offer the «girlfriend/boyfriend experience». Most of those prostitute are older, work in close house or from their home. They offer classes and initiation to their specific area of expertise. The stereotypical exemple who be the dominatrix whose visited by curious couples or single person. Most of them are working solo or through an online agency and interview their client doing business with them. This perticular type should also be legal since it provide usefull services to the population, is relatively safe for the prostitute and low profile.

3) Escorting and erotic artists: AKA nude dancers and mundane escorts. This is the most devisive group. Most of those prositute are willing to exercise their job and usually do it for short amount of time as a part time job. It's relatively safe and tame, but the close contact between those bars and studio to organised crime put them at massive risks of entrapment and violence, not from their clients, but from their employers. The strereotypical exemple is a student dancing in bar twice week to pay her tuition or a recent immigrant working some dept. This pertiular type should be legalised and heavily regulated by the government to reduce the organise crime stranglehold on those working places.

4) The Desperate street prostitution: AKA those we see in shady streets. Most of them are poor, desperate, struggling with toxicomania, dept, no diploma, poor mental and physical health and social isolation. Though they mostly chose that carreer let say it wasn't a false choice. This is the type we should try to see illiminated. We don't need men or women who see 15 clients a day to pay off their drug dealers. They need to be offered a real futur and those exploiting them should be procecuted.

5) The sex slaves: Like above exept they don't even give the illusion of choice. Many are kidnapped and torture victims. There is no doubt that slavery should be illegal and no one is arguing for it right now (maybe some crazy asshole, but we don't care about them).

Ok.... number 5 is no where close to prostitution, and number 4 is the reason that many want it legalized and regulated.

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14-05-2016, 08:42 AM
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(07-05-2016 02:46 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Men and women don't need legal prostitution to get laid, all they need is alcohol and music. Dates, bars, clubs, the classic one-night-stand, and various other new social media tools (Grinder, Tinder, etc.) have made it easier than ever before for people to scratch their mutual itches.

That still locks out a number of people who can't succeed in those environments because of their looks or low self-esteem. There's still a hazy barrier of entry (mutual attraction), one that prostitution would replace with something very definable.
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14-05-2016, 10:33 AM
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(14-05-2016 08:42 AM)Naridar Wrote:  
(07-05-2016 02:46 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Men and women don't need legal prostitution to get laid, all they need is alcohol and music. Dates, bars, clubs, the classic one-night-stand, and various other new social media tools (Grinder, Tinder, etc.) have made it easier than ever before for people to scratch their mutual itches.

That still locks out a number of people who can't succeed in those environments because of their looks or low self-esteem. There's still a hazy barrier of entry (mutual attraction), one that prostitution would replace with something very definable.

Agree completely.

Not everyone can or wants to find a mate, even if it's temporary. Some people just want human contact for sex. It can also be dangerous to pick up strangers. If prostitution is legal it can be regulated, health issues can be address, licensing and so forth. That can also mean a safer exchange or behavior. If you're in a legit business you have something to lose by acting out badly. Maybe even more women would avail themselves of sex services if it were regulated and safer so the stranger danger issues could be more mitigated.

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