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14-05-2016, 10:39 AM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
Prostitutes deserve to be legal, get health care, be able to function without pimps beating the shit out of them.

The criminal aspect needs to be removed, it doesn't work for anyone.

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14-05-2016, 11:29 AM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(07-05-2016 02:20 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Well I see it more as a competitive thing than cultural thing. Think about it. You are a woman looking for a man. In a word where prostitution is legal and is regulated, you are slowly removing men from wanting to be in relationships. Things like herbivore men and MGTOW are already gaining traction. When you legalize prostitution you open up a new door for men, one where relationships are not needed. Most women want a relationship when it comes to men, this isn't to say men don't want one either, but it is way easier for men to have sex without the need of a relationship.

Now when you legalize it the question comes up to why men would want to get into relationships? In the world today men have to do a lot for a woman, hell getting her to become interested in dating you is hard enough. Then you have to go over money you are going to spend on her, what you need to do to impress her, how to keep her happy. And sometimes, how to keep the relationship up, kids, and even divorce. With legal prostitution, why go through all that trouble for sex. Why waste time and money trying to impress a woman for some sex, when I can simply pop out 50 dollars for sex when I want it?

To add it isn't just a money aspect either, it is a performance aspect. For a woman who wants a relationship you are going to have to put effort into it. But with a prostitute, you find the one you like, pay her, go into a bed room, and the sex you don't have to try. You are not there to impress her but to just bust a nut and move on.

Prostitution isn't so much have problems because of what happened, that is very little of it, the problem is women don't want men to leave them in the dust. They don't want to be lonely because men don't want to commit. Hell it shows, part of the reason that men are not getting married as much is because of the fact that marriage is not a factor is sex anymore. If you were to say, hey men you don't need to be in a relationship for sex, they will go for that. Hell, some women don't even want sex robots.

In short it the root of it all is pretty much the ape brains of humans. And in females it is pretty much "Me don't like competition, me don't like females getting in way, me must stop this from taking men, I like men." Though it is not said like that, this is part of the basic thought we all have. It is part of the reason why men approve of prostitution more than women. For women it is "holy crap this will take away my chances of mating" while men it is "Holy crap I can increase my odds of mating." So it isn't a patriarchy is why thing, it is a I don't want my chances of finding a man to decrease thing.

Wow, this is all so wrong I don't even know where to start.
Uuugh. I won't start. Zeke, dear, grow up, have a relationship or have sex and then try and give us all those silly, baseless generalizations.

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14-05-2016, 11:50 AM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(14-05-2016 11:29 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  Wow, this is all so wrong I don't even know where to start.
Uuugh. I won't start. Zeke, dear, grow up, have a relationship or have sex and then try and give us all those silly, baseless generalizations.

Listen bro, if I don't have to have sex or have a relationship with other animals to under stand their sex patterns, I don't have to have sex with humans to understand it (besides the fact a relationship or sex won't answer much and would just be me using anecdotes)

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14-05-2016, 11:59 AM
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(14-05-2016 11:50 AM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Listen bro, if I don't have to have sex or have a relationship with other animals to under stand their sex patterns, I don't have to have sex with humans to understand it (besides the fact a relationship or sex won't answer much and would just be me using anecdotes)

Oh so now your problem is about using anecdotes when you clearly used 0 citations for everything you said in your post? "Men are like this", "women are like that". Humans and their relationships are much more complicated than that. "Men don't want to commit"? What the actual fuck?

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14-05-2016, 12:15 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(14-05-2016 11:50 AM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(14-05-2016 11:29 AM)undergroundp Wrote:  Wow, this is all so wrong I don't even know where to start.
Uuugh. I won't start. Zeke, dear, grow up, have a relationship or have sex and then try and give us all those silly, baseless generalizations.

Listen bro, if I don't have to have sex or have a relationship with other animals to under stand their sex patterns, I don't have to have sex with humans to understand it (besides the fact a relationship or sex won't answer much and would just be me using anecdotes)

Understanding sex is not even a prerequisite for partaking in it, to say noting of mere observers. If this shit were easy and uncomplicated, we wouldn't have doctors dedicating their lives to studying it.

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14-05-2016, 04:14 PM (This post was last modified: 14-05-2016 04:18 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(14-05-2016 10:39 AM)Dom Wrote:  Prostitutes deserve to be legal, get health care, be able to function without pimps beating the shit out of them.

The criminal aspect needs to be removed, it doesn't work for anyone.

I'm not completely sure on this, the lawyers here would know better. But the way I see it the only difference between illegal prostitution and legal pornography is there is a camera filming the latter. If I went out and got a prostitute and then asked her if it was okay if I filmed us and she says "Sure. But it'll cost you extra." and I turn on my cellphone camera are we legal?

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14-05-2016, 09:17 PM
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(14-05-2016 04:14 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(14-05-2016 10:39 AM)Dom Wrote:  Prostitutes deserve to be legal, get health care, be able to function without pimps beating the shit out of them.

The criminal aspect needs to be removed, it doesn't work for anyone.

I'm not completely sure on this, the lawyers here would know better. But the way I see it the only difference between illegal prostitution and legal pornography is there is a camera filming the latter. If I went out and got a prostitute and then asked her if it was okay if I filmed us and she says "Sure. But it'll cost you extra." and I turn on my cellphone camera are we legal?

I would think not, but only because we're splitting legal hairs so fine I'd be worried about causing an explosion.

But the easy way around that is to setup a small business (porn studio), and then solicit people to 'act' in your pornography. Now you're not buying sex, you're paying actresses; even if it's just an excuse to get them naked on your casting couch. Of course, the end result is the same; the exchange of money for sex on film, with intent to distribute. Funny thing that, just keeping this shit private is less legal.

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15-05-2016, 07:28 AM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(07-05-2016 02:20 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(07-05-2016 12:47 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  THIS IS AN EDIT: I was answering this post by Vosur, with my reply. I didn't realize until just now that it wasn't on my post.



We are a product of our culture, like it or not. Our history of a male dominated society is still with us today. Men used shame to control women and even used shame to have the women they controlled control other women so, yes, women shame other women. Men also shame other men. Nothing new there.

This is another reason why feminism is important, so women can learn to be supportive and not finger pointers for whatever the reason (religion induced shame being a huge one here). Women also vote against their own best interest, look at Repub women voting away their rights. This is not equal nor independent thinking, it's cultural indoctrination or lazy groupthink and it too is a control mechanism.

The idea that more women than men want to keep it illegal has many factors.

Devaluing a product - sex
Dehumanizing/objectification
Health risks increase - disease
Health risks increase - abuse
Higher risks of child sex trafficking
Criminal activity risks increase
Poverty risks increase
Higher risk for unintended pregnancy (higher risk for abortion necessity, higher risk for children born into poverty/abuse)
Society denouncement
Financial security risks

All of these things are at much higher percentage for this industry and even though there are men in this field of work the majority is still women. So you can see that cultural/religious shame is not the only reason more women want it illegal. Because of feminism where women are taught to value women they don't want to see other women flushing their potential down the proverbial toilet.

Men on the other see a product they desire that would be cheaper, more readily available and disposable with little risks and very few of them to him long term, except for possible pregnancy and disease, both of which he also has control over. That they support legalization more is understandable, they get the majority of the benefits without much risk or responsibility. Nothing new there. Whereas, maybe the "more women" who choose illegal see (at this point in time) the end product in a more realistic future, creating an entire class of legal sex slaves.

I have no cultural bias on this issue, your body-your choice BUT that being said I want it to be an educated choice NOT a choice of desperation both for women and men. We don't have that kind of equality in our country or culture, not yet. No one should ever go into prostitution because they are uneducated, poor, drug addicted, can't find work or desperate to feed themselves or their family. People should be able to choose what they want to do for a living but they should not be forced into it by unfortunate circumstances. That is not prostitution, that's sex slavery.

Well I see it more as a competitive thing than cultural thing. Think about it. You are a woman looking for a man. In a word where prostitution is legal and is regulated, you are slowly removing men from wanting to be in relationships. Things like herbivore men and MGTOW are already gaining traction. When you legalize prostitution you open up a new door for men, one where relationships are not needed. Most women want a relationship when it comes to men, this isn't to say men don't want one either, but it is way easier for men to have sex without the need of a relationship.

Now when you legalize it the question comes up to why men would want to get into relationships? In the world today men have to do a lot for a woman, hell getting her to become interested in dating you is hard enough. Then you have to go over money you are going to spend on her, what you need to do to impress her, how to keep her happy. And sometimes, how to keep the relationship up, kids, and even divorce. With legal prostitution, why go through all that trouble for sex. Why waste time and money trying to impress a woman for some sex, when I can simply pop out 50 dollars for sex when I want it?

To add it isn't just a money aspect either, it is a performance aspect. For a woman who wants a relationship you are going to have to put effort into it. But with a prostitute, you find the one you like, pay her, go into a bed room, and the sex you don't have to try. You are not there to impress her but to just bust a nut and move on.

Prostitution isn't so much have problems because of what happened, that is very little of it, the problem is women don't want men to leave them in the dust. They don't want to be lonely because men don't want to commit. Hell it shows, part of the reason that men are not getting married as much is because of the fact that marriage is not a factor is sex anymore. If you were to say, hey men you don't need to be in a relationship for sex, they will go for that. Hell, some women don't even want sex robots.

In short it the root of it all is pretty much the ape brains of humans. And in females it is pretty much "Me don't like competition, me don't like females getting in way, me must stop this from taking men, I like men." Though it is not said like that, this is part of the basic thought we all have. It is part of the reason why men approve of prostitution more than women. For women it is "holy crap this will take away my chances of mating" while men it is "Holy crap I can increase my odds of mating." So it isn't a patriarchy is why thing, it is a I don't want my chances of finding a man to decrease thing.

Sweetheart, you are too full of yourself these days. If you want to hang with a bunch of guys and revel in not having relationships, that is fine. It's even helpful to women to have such people removed from the dating scene since there is no actual relationship to be had.

But you don't have to make up all these reasons why. Just be yourself, you don't have to justify your preferences.

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15-05-2016, 02:21 PM
RE: Legalizing Prostitution
(07-05-2016 02:20 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Why waste time and money trying to impress a woman for some sex, when I can simply pop out 50 dollars for sex when I want it?

There are many men who are not interested in going with prostitutes. Me included. I have no problem with other people having that service and actually I'm not only in favor but I wish they legalized prostitution for various reasons. Having said that, I'm personally not interested in it because that interest comes with how you view sex and what kind of personality you have.

(07-05-2016 02:20 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Though it is not said like that, this is part of the basic thought we all have. It is part of the reason why men approve of prostitution more than women. For women it is "holy crap this will take away my chances of mating" while men it is "Holy crap I can increase my odds of mating." So it isn't a patriarchy is why thing, it is a I don't want my chances of finding a man to decrease thing.

That's a bit of a generalization. I want prostitution legalized for safety reasons, for health reasons, for humane reasons, and because if a woman wants to be a prostitute, I think she should have the right to be whatever the hell she wants. Believe it or not, men that are not interested in sex with prostitutes exist, not because it's an "immoral thing", but because there are people with different views and personalities.

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15-05-2016, 02:25 PM
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(15-05-2016 02:21 PM)The Polyglot Atheist Wrote:  
(07-05-2016 02:20 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Why waste time and money trying to impress a woman for some sex, when I can simply pop out 50 dollars for sex when I want it?

There are many men who are not interested in going with prostitutes. Me included. I have no problem with other people having that service and actually I'm not only in favor but I wish they legalized prostitution for various reasons. Having said that, I'm personally not interested in it because that interest comes with how you view sex and what kind of personality you have.

(07-05-2016 02:20 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Though it is not said like that, this is part of the basic thought we all have. It is part of the reason why men approve of prostitution more than women. For women it is "holy crap this will take away my chances of mating" while men it is "Holy crap I can increase my odds of mating." So it isn't a patriarchy is why thing, it is a I don't want my chances of finding a man to decrease thing.

That's a bit of a generalization. I want prostitution legalized for safety reasons, for health reasons, for humane reasons, and because if a woman wants to be a prostitute, I think she should have the right to be whatever the hell she wants. Believe it or not, men that are not interested in sex with prostitutes exist, not because it's an "immoral thing", but because there are people with different views and personalities.

Oh, don't worry, your "anecdote" means nothing to Zeke because you are obviously an "exception" to his golden rule. As are most of the men I know. And you are too small a minority to matter apparently.

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