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01-05-2014, 04:34 PM
RE: Let's define atheism, and other misnomers
(01-05-2014 02:58 PM)wazzel Wrote:  You guys realize TrainWreck is laughing at all of you for playing along, right?
I need their responses for evidence of something - probably, their cognitive dissonance.

Humanism - ontological doctrine that posits that humans define reality
Theism - ontological doctrine that posits a supernatural entity creates and defines reality
Atheism - political doctrine opposed to theist doctrine in public policy
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01-05-2014, 04:48 PM
RE: Let's define atheism, and other misnomers
(01-05-2014 01:14 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Atheism is the political doctrine determined to eliminate the legislation of law based on theist doctrines.

No it isn't. The purpose of language is communication. To that end, words have meanings and you don't get to change them to conveniently suit your purpose. Doing so creates nothing but a strawman so it's pointless to discuss.

For example:
A baseball is commonly known as a ball used in a game with bats, gloves, and bases but it's "real meaning" is a very large rectangular shaped building inside which circus performers regularly give shows. Now let's discuss. See how useless that is?

Now you know why I won't discuss the rest of what you said that followed from your nonsensical definition of atheism. Rolleyes

*goes off shaking head*

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01-05-2014, 05:16 PM
RE: Let's define atheism, and other misnomers
(01-05-2014 02:58 PM)wazzel Wrote:  You guys realize TrainWreck is laughing at all of you for playing along, right?

Of course he's laughing.

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He's probably laughing his ass off.

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01-05-2014, 05:23 PM
RE: Let's define atheism, and other misnomers
(01-05-2014 04:34 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 02:58 PM)wazzel Wrote:  You guys realize TrainWreck is laughing at all of you for playing along, right?
I need their responses for evidence of something - probably, their cognitive dissonance.

More words you don't understand?

Quote:In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the excessive mental stress and discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time. Wikipedia

Theism: The belief GodDidIt
A-Theism:
(28-04-2014 12:45 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  using ontological reasoning to assert that humanism is the proper ontological "reciprocal" to theism, and that atheism is a political doctrine that opposes law based on theist religious doctrine.
Humanism: The lack of belief GodDidIt

Your head must be pounding right now, you poor train wreck you.

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01-05-2014, 05:42 PM (This post was last modified: 01-05-2014 05:57 PM by Psuedo Yeshua.)
RE: Let's define atheism, and other misnomers
"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence." - Carl Sagan

Personally I believe it means "not believing in a god" ( to me meaning you are at least confident there is a god) rather than the definition "lack of belief in god" (to me meaning you just dont believe). The latter seems more like weak agnostic, of course I might just be adding connotations to the wording.
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01-05-2014, 05:43 PM
RE: Let's define atheism, and other misnomers
(01-05-2014 04:20 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 03:18 PM)John Wrote:  You are free to disagree with any definition provided by any dictionary, and you are free to introduce your own definitions.
That is what I am doing.

(01-05-2014 03:18 PM)John Wrote:  That does not mean that anybody else has to give a rat's ass over your definitions.
I agree - why all the fuss??? just ignore this discussion, just like all the other discussions you guys ignore.

I bet you can't figure out why you guys cannot ignore it.
It is because you believe that you understand the meaning without fault, and believe that you are of firm authority to defend your belief.

This is not a discussion - you are having a rant.

Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. Are you perhaps thinking of antitheism?

Clearly, atheism will have political ramifications, but it is not itself political.
For instance, an atheist would likely support secular government and oppose theocracy. But an atheist might also support fascism or socialism or violent repression of religion or peaceful coexistence. Or many other things.

So, no, you are incorrect.

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01-05-2014, 05:54 PM (This post was last modified: 01-05-2014 06:00 PM by Psuedo Yeshua.)
RE: Let's define atheism, and other misnomers
"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence" - Carl Sagan

I personally believe the definition: athiesm= belief that there is not a god. Instead of the definition: atheism = lack of belief in god. Either way it's not a doctrine.
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01-05-2014, 05:59 PM
RE: Let's define atheism, and other misnomers
(01-05-2014 05:54 PM)Psuedo Yeshua Wrote:  "An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence" - Carl Sagan

I personally believe the definition: athiesm= belief that there is not a god. Instead of the definition: atheism = lack of belief in god.


So, what word or set of words do you think define someone that lacks belief in a god?


As far as I can tell, theism is the belief in at least one god. Anything else if atheism (without theism).
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01-05-2014, 06:00 PM
RE: Let's define atheism, and other misnomers
(01-05-2014 05:54 PM)Psuedo Yeshua Wrote:  "An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence" - Carl Sagan

I personally believe the definition: athiesm= belief that there is not a god. Instead of the definition: atheism = lack of belief in god.

Google, Define: Atheism
Quote:a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
noun: atheism
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief, disbelief, unbelief, irreligion, skepticism, doubt, agnosticism; More

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01-05-2014, 06:01 PM
RE: Let's define atheism, and other misnomers
(01-05-2014 04:22 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  I do not want you to guess - I want you to tell me what the universal accepted definition are

There are none. There -- are -- NONE. Which is already evident from the fact that you wish to subscribe to different definitions than the rest of us. The most useful definitions are, yet once again, those found in dictionaries; the reasons for this should be clear by now, if not, I'm happy to explain. And as you'll see, they have several definitions for most of those words, because they are employed differently by different people in different contexts.

I'm not going to do 5 minutes worth of copy-pasting for your convenience, you can type the words for yourself here, among other places.

(01-05-2014 04:22 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  and I will explain to you why they are wrong.

If by 'wrong' you mean 'inappropriate', go for it.

(01-05-2014 04:22 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  I'm way, way, way ahead of you - years ahead of you.

I have no doubt you are.

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