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14-01-2016, 09:18 AM (This post was last modified: 14-01-2016 09:23 AM by yakherder.)
RE: Let's talk Sanders.
(14-01-2016 09:17 AM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 09:16 AM)yakherder Wrote:  Japan is more scared of China as an emerging threat than we are, and they are dependent on us for their defense. Again, leverage.

And the dumbass doesn't realize removing america would solve more problems then not. You guys don't defend shit

You have absolutely no idea how this game works beyond your own biased view of the world. I know you've got a hard on for Japan, and I did love the place myself, but most of Asia holds a grudge against them and would happily see them reduced to a puppet state. The average Japanese citizen might not be aware of the strategic realities they face, but the government is, and they've recently been making moves to strengthen their alliance with us. Going so far as to push to modify their constitution to allow them to directly take part in military operations alongside us.

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14-01-2016, 09:23 AM
RE: Let's talk Sanders.
(14-01-2016 09:10 AM)yakherder Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 08:47 AM)Banjo Wrote:  History repeats, Still are you justifying you violent policies of the past and present?

Whether I justify it or not, I see nothing beyond wishful thinking to suggest the world is anything other than an inherently violent place. I merely learned to dance in the rain, so to speak. Tell me this, does it make sense to despise the violent nature of the world without any data to suggest that it will ever be anything else? A lot of people would say I should have more faith in the idea that a better world can exist. Religious people tell me the same thing about heaven when I say I'm agnostic. I'm not interested in wishful thinking. I'm merely reacting to the world as I perceive it.

We're just a bunch of monkeys fighting over a limited supply of banana trees, and I'm not keen to be on the begging end of the equation if I can help it.

Like the infallible personality test says, as an ENTJ I am characterized by an often ruthless level of rationality, and it is probably best I make up less than 3% of the population Tongue

I'm not sure, I would like to see the world become a much less violent place than it is now. Whether or not that is realistic or possible is not a question I really know how to answer. I guess my great hope is us reaching a technological level where the resources of our solar system can easily be used to help reduce scarcity here. However I can see this just moving the conflicts of the world into space.

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14-01-2016, 09:26 AM
RE: Let's talk Sanders.
(14-01-2016 09:23 AM)Worom Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 09:10 AM)yakherder Wrote:  Whether I justify it or not, I see nothing beyond wishful thinking to suggest the world is anything other than an inherently violent place. I merely learned to dance in the rain, so to speak. Tell me this, does it make sense to despise the violent nature of the world without any data to suggest that it will ever be anything else? A lot of people would say I should have more faith in the idea that a better world can exist. Religious people tell me the same thing about heaven when I say I'm agnostic. I'm not interested in wishful thinking. I'm merely reacting to the world as I perceive it.

We're just a bunch of monkeys fighting over a limited supply of banana trees, and I'm not keen to be on the begging end of the equation if I can help it.

Like the infallible personality test says, as an ENTJ I am characterized by an often ruthless level of rationality, and it is probably best I make up less than 3% of the population Tongue

I'm not sure, I would like to see the world become a much less violent place than it is now. Whether or not that is realistic or possible is not a question I really don't know how to answer. I guess my great hope is us reaching a technological level where the resources of our solar system can easily be used to help reduce scarcity here. However I can see this just moving the conflicts of the world into space.

I've theorized that once automated drone technology becomes smart enough to allow for absolute consistency of international enforcement of law, we may see some big changes. But we're almost as far away from that as we are from mining Mars. I don't expect things to change in my lifetime Smile

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14-01-2016, 09:26 AM
RE: Let's talk Sanders.
(14-01-2016 09:18 AM)yakherder Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 09:17 AM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  And the dumbass doesn't realize removing america would solve more problems then not. You guys don't defend shit

You have absolutely no idea how this game works beyond your own biased view of the world.

First, you defend us from japan from what? I don't think anything. But america sure does help in raping and ruining shit.

Second, Japan needs to fix its problems with other asian countries.

Sorry man, but america has done nothing but waste japans money with these bases. America can be allies with japan, that is good, but it is better to move off to a country that needs them.

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14-01-2016, 09:32 AM
RE: Let's talk Sanders.
(14-01-2016 09:26 AM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 09:18 AM)yakherder Wrote:  You have absolutely no idea how this game works beyond your own biased view of the world.

First, you defend us from japan from what? I don't think anything. But america sure does help in raping and ruining shit.

Second, Japan needs to fix its problems with other asian countries.

Sorry man, but america has done nothing but waste japans money with these bases. America can be allies with japan, that is good, but it is better to move off to a country that needs them.

There are pros and cons to their reliance on us for defense. Money is not one of the cons. The opportunity they've had over the last half century to almost completely ignore their defense has allowed them an unprecedented level of economic growth, though it didn't last forever.

And allies, in this world, is more than having a quick reaction force half a world away. The NSA facility we've got in Misawa, for example, has been critical in staying on top of, or at least on par with, prospective adversaries like China and North Korea, and it isn't just the U.S. that takes advantage of the information gained there.

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14-01-2016, 09:37 AM
RE: Let's talk Sanders.
As long as America is trusted financially and economically by the international community, we can keep borrowing money. The US has a pretty robust economy, so there's no urgent problem, but there might come a time when a country will refuse to give us more money, and then the shit will hit the fan. That's how I understand that situation. We have reduced deficit spending recently I think.

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14-01-2016, 09:52 AM
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Yak, say US was to go to war with China. What happens to the debt? Is the debt more or less a guarantee that neither China nor the US would be attracted by the idea of war?

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14-01-2016, 09:54 AM
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What I find interesting is Trump and Sanders have gotten people interested in the election that normally don't care. Will be interested to see how voting numbers change this time.

I'd love for Sanders to get it. He's actual change. But Americans are going to have to see past the "socialist" which will be hard, we are very afraid of the term as a whole. But his numbers are actually pretty good, and he's ahead of Hilary in some states....so who knows.
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14-01-2016, 10:02 AM
RE: Let's talk Sanders.
(14-01-2016 09:52 AM)morondog Wrote:  Yak, say US was to go to war with China. What happens to the debt? Is the debt more or less a guarantee that neither China nor the US would be attracted by the idea of war?

Hard to say. That's usually a part of the treaty after the war is over, taking into account who the victor deems to be responsible for reparations. That is, of course, highly theoretical. I doubt we'll be going to war with China in the traditional sense any time soon.

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14-01-2016, 10:09 AM
RE: Let's talk Sanders.
(14-01-2016 09:54 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  What I find interesting is Trump and Sanders have gotten people interested in the election that normally don't care. Will be interested to see how voting numbers change this time.

I'd love for Sanders to get it. He's actual change. But Americans are going to have to see past the "socialist" which will be hard, we are very afraid of the term as a whole. But his numbers are actually pretty good, and he's ahead of Hilary in some states....so who knows.

I honestly don't think anyone can change what needs to be changed except for the people themselves, as cliché as that sounds. What I like about Sanders is the fact that he's not Hillary or Trump, both of whom are hated equally in the opposing camps. Sanders being elected would allow for a greater degree of bipartisan cooperation than would otherwise be possible, and that might allow congress to be something other than stagnant. So I guess for slightly different reasons than most people, I think Sanders is the best bet we've got at this point. With the other two, you can rest assured that the opposing side will act as a brick wall to anything they propose by default.

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