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18-12-2015, 05:32 PM
RE: Let us work together to concur on how to prove that something exists.
Yawn. You're not fooling anyone. We all know that there's an argument for God coming at the end of this pointless exercise so how about you just cut to the chase and stop wasting everyone's time?

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18-12-2015, 05:33 PM (This post was last modified: 18-12-2015 05:41 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Let us work together to concur on how to prove that something exists.
(18-12-2015 05:32 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Yawn. You're not fooling anyone. We all know that there's an argument for God coming at the end of this pointless exercise so how about you just cut to the chase and stop wasting everyone's time?

First he needs to show that the default state is existence. All he's shown me so far is fallacious arguments from incredulity. He can't comprehend or imagine how it could be otherwise therefore it must be. They should call it the fallacy of arrogance.

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18-12-2015, 06:31 PM
RE: Let us work together to concur on how to prove that something exists.
Things that exist must interact in some way with some force in this universe and thus be detected. Once detected, we should be able to make some kind of measurement of the thing we detected or a measurement of how much our detector was affected.

Before all of this though, we must make a couple assumptions about our own existence.

1. I assume that I exist.
2. I assume that my perception of reality is accurate most of the time.

Because of the whole brain in vat thing, I can't be certain that reality is in fact real, so I make the assumption that everything I experience is as close as I can get to mapping out what is actually happening around me.

Your first step in proving that something exists is detection. Does it interact with something in the universe ? Next is measurement.

Can we agree on that ?

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18-12-2015, 06:46 PM
RE: Let us work together to concur on how to prove that something exists.
(18-12-2015 06:31 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Before all of this though, we must make a couple assumptions about our own existence.

1. I assume that I exist.
2. I assume that my perception of reality is accurate most of the time.

Premise 2 is easily disproven. Premise 1 is neither self-evident nor incontrovertible.

(18-12-2015 06:31 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Your first step in proving that something exists is detection. Does it interact with something in the universe ? Next is measurement.

Can we agree on that ?

Nope. It is not entirely clear that detection and observation are not acts of realization and manifestation and creation.

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18-12-2015, 06:51 PM
RE: Let us work together to concur on how to prove that something exists.
I know I am the Ape-man, AND the Walrus...
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18-12-2015, 06:52 PM
RE: Let us work together to concur on how to prove that something exists.
Oh shit, I missed out in a lot of fun. I thought this was another one of those hit and run posts.

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18-12-2015, 07:00 PM
RE: Let us work together to concur on how to prove that something exists.
(18-12-2015 05:32 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Yawn. You're not fooling anyone. We all know that there's an argument for God coming at the end of this pointless exercise so how about you just cut to the chase and stop wasting everyone's time?

I wonder how many pages until he gets to that point lol.
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18-12-2015, 07:01 PM
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(18-12-2015 06:51 PM)pablo Wrote:  I know I am the Ape-man, AND the Walrus...
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18-12-2015, 07:05 PM
RE: Let us work together to concur on how to prove that something exists.
(18-12-2015 07:01 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(18-12-2015 06:51 PM)pablo Wrote:  I know I am the Ape-man, AND the Walrus...
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18-12-2015, 07:24 PM
RE: Let us work together to concur on how to prove that something exists.
(18-12-2015 07:05 PM)pablo Wrote:  
(18-12-2015 07:01 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  


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Oh, dear. I thought you had done that on purpose. Undecided

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