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03-04-2016, 04:56 PM
RE: Lets Try Sperm/Conception Control Instead
To put things quite bluntly I personally would love a hormonal male birth control. EA has 2 kids for thing 1 (the girl) we already have her on BC pills partially due to other reasons but mainly because we don't want her to fuck over her future by having a kid at 16. Thing 2 however we just get to warn not to trust any girl ever and make sure he has condoms available so he doesn't throw away his future.

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03-04-2016, 05:02 PM
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(03-04-2016 04:56 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  To put things quite bluntly I personally would love a hormonal male birth control. EA has 2 kids for thing 1 (the girl) we already have her on BC pills partially due to other reasons but mainly because we don't want her to fuck over her future by having a kid at 16. Thing 2 however we just get to warn not to trust any girl ever and make sure he has condoms available so he doesn't throw away his future.

Yep, I had that same talk with both my kids. Take responsibility for yourself, you will be the one to suffer the consequences regardless of what the other person does.

Seriously though, if tubals and vasectomies were available to young people I think many would choose them. I have found out through friend experiences that doctors won't do them until about 35. The worry about the regret rate and don't want to be held accountable.

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03-04-2016, 05:03 PM
RE: Lets Try Sperm/Conception Control Instead
(03-04-2016 04:51 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  
(03-04-2016 04:45 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  They're developing one. But again, pregnancy isn't the only side effect of sex. STDs are as well and that (much like the pill or other ideas that don't involve a condom don't address at all).

I'm addressing pregnancy. If you want to address STD you're welcome to start a thread about that. Funny, I didn't see this complaint about STD's in the other thread about abortion/birth control. Were you saving just for me?

As someone who used to volunteer at planned parenthood I saw far too many young girls and older women with stds. Many can screw up a girls ability to later conceive if they go untreated. Many older women because they're past childbearing years don't realize the importance and some are shocked to learn they have things like gonorrhea. Most older men are also too embarrassed to get treatment. It's also a subject most children don't want to have with their parents.

Instead of quick fixes for long-term problems I prefer that both sides practice safe sex.


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03-04-2016, 05:05 PM
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(03-04-2016 05:03 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(03-04-2016 04:51 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  I'm addressing pregnancy. If you want to address STD you're welcome to start a thread about that. Funny, I didn't see this complaint about STD's in the other thread about abortion/birth control. Were you saving just for me?

As someone who used to volunteer at planned parenthood I saw far too many young girls and older women with stds. Many can screw up a girls ability to later conceive if they go untreated. Many older women because they're past childbearing years don't realize the importance and some are shocked to learn they have things like gonorrhea. Most older men are also too embarrassed to get treatment. It's also a subject most children don't want to have with their parents.

Instead of quick fixes for long-term problems I prefer that both sides practice safe sex.

So do I and I've never posted differently.

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03-04-2016, 05:07 PM
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(03-04-2016 05:02 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  
(03-04-2016 04:56 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  To put things quite bluntly I personally would love a hormonal male birth control. EA has 2 kids for thing 1 (the girl) we already have her on BC pills partially due to other reasons but mainly because we don't want her to fuck over her future by having a kid at 16. Thing 2 however we just get to warn not to trust any girl ever and make sure he has condoms available so he doesn't throw away his future.

Yep, I had that same talk with both my kids. Take responsibility for yourself, you will be the one to suffer the consequences regardless of what the other person does.

Seriously though, if tubals and vasectomies were available to young people I think many would choose them. I have found out through friend experiences that doctors won't do them until about 35. The worry about the regret rate and don't want to be held accountable.

Yes, that's mainly because reversing them doesn't always work.

Also, a male friend I knew had a vasectomy in his early 20s and in his 40s got his partner pregnant. The band used had degraded over time (he thought they were severed). It turned out ok for him though. Still he was pretty shocked.


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03-04-2016, 05:12 PM
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(03-04-2016 05:07 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(03-04-2016 05:02 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  Yep, I had that same talk with both my kids. Take responsibility for yourself, you will be the one to suffer the consequences regardless of what the other person does.

Seriously though, if tubals and vasectomies were available to young people I think many would choose them. I have found out through friend experiences that doctors won't do them until about 35. The worry about the regret rate and don't want to be held accountable.

Yes, that's mainly because reversing them doesn't always work.

Also, a male friend I knew had a vasectomy in his early 20s and in his 40s got his partner pregnant. The band used had degraded over time (he thought they were severed). It turned out ok for him though. Still he was pretty shocked.

Yes, it does happen. That's why I said nearly no unwanted pregnancies.

My daughter not only had hers tied but she had them cut out a chunk and fry the ends and tied. Every time her husband breathed her direction she got pregnant. lol Which was ok with them but she developed preeclampsia with the second one and it was much worse with the third so, no more babies. I have three lovely grandsons and I still have my daughter too. Very happy about that.

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03-04-2016, 05:17 PM
RE: Lets Try Sperm/Conception Control Instead
Having been a teen mother myself, I worry quite often about my daughter either getting pregnant or my son getting some girl pregnant. As Rev said, my daughter is on birth control pills but I still worry about this issue - there is a huge huge stigma to getting an abortion here, and I don't even want to know how difficult it'd be just to obtain one.

I thought at the time (when I was a teen) that really it wasn't all that bad being a mom and I didn't feel bad about it. It is only later that resentment has crept in. That's not how it should be. I do love my kids but they should have been planned, and neither was planned for.

Anyway, I think it'd be great if I could get my son on some kind of hormonal birth control whenever he gets to be that age, but my options are pretty much limited to drilling home the "use a condom no matter what, even if she says she's on birth control" thing and I know all too well how things happen quickly and without thought to consequences in the heat of the moment. Undecided

And once again, this is Texas with a lot of religious folks about - if he got a girl pregnant, odds are that an abortion would not be in the cards and they'd expect him to financially support the girl and if he didn't then there's a whole other shitstorm with people looking badly on him. So either his reputation would be ruined if he decided he could not handle being a father when he was just a kid himself, or he takes on fatherhood too early and ends up like me all those years down the road feeling resentful and then feeling horrible about feeling resentful. Sad

I for one am riding out their teen years pretty much like this: Unsure Confused Hobo

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03-04-2016, 05:20 PM
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Oh, wanted to add that while yes I have my daughter on bc pills, it wasn't exactly a walk in the park to do so. I initially went to her primary care doctor and asked about getting her put on the pill and they treated me like an unfit parent - gasped and told me she's just a child. No shit she's a child. So she doesn't need to *have* a child, savvy?

Went to a gynecologist and got it with luckily no problems, but on this last refill of hers, there was a minor delay because the insurance had to make sure it hadn't been prescribed for use as a contraceptive. Dodgy We got it prescribed for her under the excuse/reason of regulating her cycles but mostly it was for my peace of mind. So I suppose if it had been prescribed for its main intended use they'd have said sorry no dice? This is the definition of fucked up. And it's why Texas has such a high rate of teen pregnancies.

Fuck you, Texas.

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03-04-2016, 05:26 PM
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Here's a link to male bc.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/health/mal...trol-pill/

Again I don't see this a solution. Safe sex is a better option because people do lie. I knew girls who told guys they were on the pill when they weren't in high school. I imagine guys might do the same.


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03-04-2016, 05:30 PM
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(03-04-2016 04:35 PM)Heatheness Wrote:  I've put this forward before with a good degree of success with women, not so much with men.

Instead of standard birth control in it's various forms including abortion which leads to woman control, lets do the other option that has never been considered in the patriarchy world... sperm/conception control or man control.

By this I mean controlling the application and usage of the male's sperm. A woman's eggs drop and are flushed out every month without any need for the woman to be controlled for her pregnancy. It's not until you add the man's sperm that pregnancy can happen so why aren't we controlling men's behavior instead of women's?

Women have been responsible for protecting themselves from pregnancy forever, chemical birth control with is not always effective, can make the woman sick, can make her feel pain (spermicides are rough on the vaginal walls), even tubal ligations fail, can make her hormones volatile and even give her cancer. And when the various forms fail she is physically, financially and emotionally responsible for the birth or the termination of said pregnancy. If she gets any help with this responsibility it's at the grace and interest of the sperm donor because too often they can and do wriggle out of the responsibility even though there are laws to prevent this. A lifetime responsibly. (And I'm not even going to use the rape card.)

So I propose we use man control for a change and create new laws to control men's behavior. We could sanction sex and have men get permits to engage in it with contracted responsibilities. We could give each young man a vasectomy (for free as well as the reversal at a later date) and let him have all the consensual sex he wants until such time that he gets a female to agree to carry his offspring, again a contractual agreement to which both parties would be bound unless some medical issue developed and the woman, if at undue risk to herself, could resend the process, agreed upon in advance, of course. At that time he can have the reversal done and voile' the baby making can begin.

The unwanted pregnancy rate would drop to almost non-existence and solve the abortion problem for all. No teenage pregnancies, no rape pregnancies (I'll throw this in for the overall totals) no "we had too much to drink to remember condoms/birth control", no birth control fails or nearly none. No unwanted babies ever.

So lets control the REAL baby makers... the sperm!

Woo-wee! Lets do that!

That is what I did. At the age of 22 for myself and wife we had one each of all kinds of children available to us. We discussed it and decided that a man's operation was less traumatic than a woman's. But there are a couple of draw backs. It is not always reversible, or at least that is what the doctors told me then 48 years ago, and there are a few times when it is not effective, as in in a few years it grows back, rare, but it does happen.
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