Life begins at conception...unless of course you try to sue us.

[Hobbitgirl]

Catholics are at it again folks.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/us/colorad...?hpt=hp_c1


Canon City, Colorado (CNN) -- Life begins at conception, according to the Catholic Church, but in a wrongful death suit in Colorado, a Catholic health care company has argued just the opposite.
A fetus is not legally a person until it is born, the hospital's lawyers have claimed in its defense. And now it may be up to the state's Supreme Court to decide.

[Free Thought]

Typical back pedalling and underhanded cowardice. Not a single shred of honour amongst any of these particular Catholic rats.

[Hobbitgirl]

(26-01-2013 12:21 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Typical back pedalling and underhanded cowardice. Not a single shred of honour amongst any of these particular Catholic rats.

So very true.

[Mr Woof]

(26-01-2013 02:18 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  

(26-01-2013 12:21 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Typical back pedalling and underhanded cowardice. Not a single shred of honour amongst any of these particular Catholic rats.

So very true.

While the Catholics argue over sperm and fertilized eggs, kids in third world countries are starving to death as a result of banned pills and condoms.

[smidgen]

Makes me sick. The catholic church is as corrupt as the US government.

[Momsurroundedbyboys]

(26-01-2013 11:38 AM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  Catholics are at it again folks.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/us/colorad...?hpt=hp_c1


Canon City, Colorado (CNN) -- Life begins at conception, according to the Catholic Church, but in a wrongful death suit in Colorado, a Catholic health care company has argued just the opposite.
A fetus is not legally a person until it is born, the hospital's lawyers have claimed in its defense. And now it may be up to the state's Supreme Court to decide.

That's typical. They want everyone else to be responsible. They want no one to take birth control or have an abortion....yet do very little to provide any real long-term help and then they scratch their heads over why the catholic church world wide is shrinking...

It's very much like Judaism -- why people might have gotten fed up with all the rules...why they peobably invented a new god (Jesus).

[Aseptic Skeptic]

This isn't that surprising.

The Catholic stance has not changed much, on this subject.

But these lawyers are not arguing in a Catholic court, or even a religious one. They're arguing this case in a secular court of law, with secular laws, where decisions are made based on those laws and not (officially) on any laws of any religion. If there is legal precedent in that court to define life "legally" beginning at birth, then that is the point these lawyers should, must, argue.

Anything else would be a disservice to their client, regardless of their own or even their client's beliefs on this legal point.

[Chas]

(26-01-2013 06:20 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  This isn't that surprising.

The Catholic stance has not changed much, on this subject.

But these lawyers are not arguing in a Catholic court, or even a religious one. They're arguing this case in a secular court of law, with secular laws, where decisions are made based on those laws and not (officially) on any laws of any religion. If there is legal precedent in that court to define life "legally" beginning at birth, then that is the point these lawyers should, must, argue.

Anything else would be a disservice to their client, regardless of their own or even their client's beliefs on this legal point.

No, if the client really believes that life starts at conception, it is hypocritical for the client to use this argument.

[Momsurroundedbyboys]

(26-01-2013 06:20 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  This isn't that surprising.

The Catholic stance has not changed much, on this subject.

But these lawyers are not arguing in a Catholic court, or even a religious one. They're arguing this case in a secular court of law, with secular laws, where decisions are made based on those laws and not (officially) on any laws of any religion. If there is legal precedent in that court to define life "legally" beginning at birth, then that is the point these lawyers should, must, argue.

Anything else would be a disservice to their client, regardless of their own or even their client's beliefs on this legal point.

Well, the attorneys are hired by the hospital. If I'm not mistaken it's a catholic hospital -- they can and should dictate how the attorneys proceed. The attorney's can be fired for not adhering to the wishes or religion preference of the client.

Right now, it seems the catholic hospital has lost faith -- this is a hornet's nest because if they get a judge to agree "life" begins at birth....it's got wider implications than just this case.

They can't have their cake and eat it. I suspect they'll settle and the whole thing will quietly go away.

[Aseptic Skeptic]

(26-01-2013 06:29 PM)Chas Wrote:  

(26-01-2013 06:20 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  This isn't that surprising.

The Catholic stance has not changed much, on this subject.

But these lawyers are not arguing in a Catholic court, or even a religious one. They're arguing this case in a secular court of law, with secular laws, where decisions are made based on those laws and not (officially) on any laws of any religion. If there is legal precedent in that court to define life "legally" beginning at birth, then that is the point these lawyers should, must, argue.

Anything else would be a disservice to their client, regardless of their own or even their client's beliefs on this legal point.

No, if the client really believes that life starts at conception, it is hypocritical for the client to use this argument.

So what? I never said it wasn't hypocritical. but I don't see anything in that story that says the lawyers are on trial for hypocrisy, nor the church, so what's the point?

The guy isn't suing the church to give him some holy sacrament or something. He's suing a hospital for damages and expecting a financial settlement in US legal tender. That's a secular suit for secular damage with secular consequences and requires a secular response.

Is it a black eye on the hospital and the church for taking this line of defense? Sure it is. The hypocrisy is obvious to everyone.

But that is irrelevant to the secular lawsuit.