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28-03-2012, 08:56 PM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
I can barely respond since I apparently have a madman on "my side." But the fact that you all don't see a problem with working your ass off to scrape by in life disturbs me. I've been coming home exhausted with no money or time to change the fact that I come home exhausted with no money. I refuse to be grateful for table scraps. I eventually decided that I would risk my life if it paid well, so I joined the army. It paid 1200 a month, less than I made working in the dairy department at the grocery store. Meanwhile I have to watch people using auto-tune over generic beats get one song popular and be rewarded with 10 million dollars. 2nd string players who ride the bench for a profession make more than the president of the United States. Teachers make slightly more than janitors and 20 times less than actors.

The priorities in this country are fucked and the funds need to be allocated.

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28-03-2012, 11:20 PM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(28-03-2012 08:56 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  I can barely respond since I apparently have a madman on "my side." But the fact that you all don't see a problem with working your ass off to scrape by in life disturbs me. I've been coming home exhausted with no money or time to change the fact that I come home exhausted with no money. I refuse to be grateful for table scraps. I eventually decided that I would risk my life if it paid well, so I joined the army. It paid 1200 a month, less than I made working in the dairy department at the grocery store. Meanwhile I have to watch people using auto-tune over generic beats get one song popular and be rewarded with 10 million dollars. 2nd string players who ride the bench for a profession make more than the president of the United States. Teachers make slightly more than janitors and 20 times less than actors.

The priorities in this country are fucked and the funds need to be allocated.
Auto Tune isn't terribly expensive. Even exists in Android/iPhone app form. Buy it, record a song, and prove how easy it is to make millions. No? There's something more to it? Hmmm....

It's not that easy, you've got to know what will be a hit with millions and what won't. You also have to look good and be able to convince the record label execs that you've got what it takes. Is it partially about image? Yes, but everything about show-biz is that way. What is it that sells again?

If you wanna go that route, there are try outs for American Idol and the like, there are several people that have found a career that way. If it were really a matter of no-talent ass-clowns using auto tune to make millions, then we'll see thousands flooding the market with auto tuned songs, driving down the income of auto tuned song artists. Or people will stop using auto tune as it fails to help their sales (while the clueless keep using it, but don't see high sales).

If you really want to know why teachers make less than actors, it's supply & demand. There are far more people with the skills necessary to become teachers than there are people skilled & physically attractive enough to become actors. There are a ton of people who want to be actors, but few can actually cut the mustard in terms of ability and looks. There are tons of actors that make diddly-shit too, waiting tables by day and acting in B-grade films by night. If you want the big bucks, you have to have rare skills.

The president makes far less than football players mostly because his salary is set by congress, not a free market. The government is also not a corporation... Anyone getting to that position isn't looking for the money anyway, they want the power (and the money will definitely come afterwards anyway).

Society as a whole votes with their wallets. We see athletes getting paid a lot because a) lots of people pay good money to enjoy sporting events and b) few athletes have the skill necessary to compete at the professional level.

What can we do about this, realistically? We could limit the salaries of athletes, or tax them exorbitantly. What would this do? Easy - it would drive down the number of people willing to devote their lives to developing that skill, reducing the overall quality of competition in sports, and as a result sports would be less interesting. Plenty would still want to play, but not as many as before (depending on the cap / % of taxation). Supply and demand will always find equilibrium, reducing demand (player salaries) will result in reduced supply (athletes).

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28-03-2012, 11:42 PM (This post was last modified: 28-03-2012 11:58 PM by mysticjbyrd.)
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
Quote:
Quote:That comment was 100% true.

No, it wasn't.

Quote:Humans can't live w/o entertainment.

Yes, they can.

Quote:Its crucial to our existence as people.

No, it isn't. It's a luxury, not a right.

Quote:There
is a huge company in china called foxxconn where pretty much all the
electronics are made. That company has huge dorms that it forces its
employees to live at. Recently they installed nets, because the people
were jumping off and killing themselves in massive numbers.

Sorry, but I know exactly what you're talking about, and you're entirely wrong.

Quote:The
suicides prompted 20 Chinese universities to compile a report on
Foxconn, which they decried as a labour camp. Other experts have claimed
that employees are treated comparatively well at Foxconn, but news
reports have been critical. Long working hours, discrimination of
mainland Chinese workers by their Taiwanese coworkers, and a lack of
working relationships have all been cited as potential causes.

The
suicide rate at Foxconn during the suicide spate remained lower than
that of the general Chinese population, and the Foxconn deaths may have
been a product of economic conditions external to the company. In China
in 2010 there were several major strike actions at other high-profile
manufacturers in China, and the Lewisian turning-point as well as the
decline in the surplus Chinese labour-pool are two potential
macro-economic factors.

In response to the suicides, Foxconn
substantially increased wages for its Shenzhen factory workforce,
installed suicide-prevention netting, and asked employees to sign
no-suicide pledges. Workers were also forced to sign a legally binding
document guaranteeing that they and their descendants would not sue the
company as a result of unexpected death, self-injury, or suicide.

Not
that this example was critical to your argument or anything, but you
might want to do some research before spouting off on stuff like this. A
few seconds' time spent fact-checking will make your arguments much
more convincing. When your opponents can poke holes in them with less
than thirty seconds spend on Google, there's a problem.

Quote:Also that budget he wrote up was horse shit.
As
if the only expenses you have are Electric and water, and its only $150
per month? Does this person have 1 light bulb and a compact
refrigerator?

The average national monthly water
bill is $51.00. Electric varies depending on the season, but tends to
hover around $100-$120. So, no, it's about right.

Quote:There
are a lot of people living on the wire like that. Even in the given
scenario, all it would take is one emergency, especially medical, and
that person is going under.

Insurance.

Quote:No
entertainment and only 1 emergency from being bankrupt or even homeless
on the street is hardly the American dream, or an acceptable living
standard.

You keep rattling on about "no
entertainment", but there is a $200 budget left over for medical and
entertainment expenses. The average monthly medical insurance bill is
around $55, so that leaves $145 per month for entertainment and savings.
And it's a hell of a lot better than the living standard in a lot of
countries.
Everything in that budget was best case scenario, with absolutely no other expenses. I am sorry but it was absolute BS corporate slave scenario. There were so many things not even on that list it was hilarious, as if the only things you need are electricity and water.

One accident, or if even something simple like his roommate leaves and he is fucked.
One credit card, and he is fucked.

This guy is on the thinnest line imaginable and the slightest breeze will tip him over, and like I said, this is with your best case scenario. And whats even worse, is this guy has no future at all. He will have to walk that tight rope the rest of his life.


Also people do need entertainment to survive. Its a biological need, otherwise we would go insane.
People are not going to come home and stare at a wall for 8 hours out of every day.

Who cares if its better than other countries? Its also a hell of a lot worse than a lot of other countries too. But thats not the topic of discussion.
(28-03-2012 11:20 PM)Azaraith Wrote:  
(28-03-2012 08:56 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  I can barely respond since I apparently have a madman on "my side." But the fact that you all don't see a problem with working your ass off to scrape by in life disturbs me. I've been coming home exhausted with no money or time to change the fact that I come home exhausted with no money. I refuse to be grateful for table scraps. I eventually decided that I would risk my life if it paid well, so I joined the army. It paid 1200 a month, less than I made working in the dairy department at the grocery store. Meanwhile I have to watch people using auto-tune over generic beats get one song popular and be rewarded with 10 million dollars. 2nd string players who ride the bench for a profession make more than the president of the United States. Teachers make slightly more than janitors and 20 times less than actors.

The priorities in this country are fucked and the funds need to be allocated.
Auto Tune isn't terribly expensive. Even exists in Android/iPhone app form. Buy it, record a song, and prove how easy it is to make millions. No? There's something more to it? Hmmm....

It's not that easy, you've got to know what will be a hit with millions and what won't. You also have to look good and be able to convince the record label execs that you've got what it takes. Is it partially about image? Yes, but everything about show-biz is that way. What is it that sells again?

If you wanna go that route, there are try outs for American Idol and the like, there are several people that have found a career that way. If it were really a matter of no-talent ass-clowns using auto tune to make millions, then we'll see thousands flooding the market with auto tuned songs, driving down the income of auto tuned song artists. Or people will stop using auto tune as it fails to help their sales (while the clueless keep using it, but don't see high sales).

If you really want to know why teachers make less than actors, it's supply & demand. There are far more people with the skills necessary to become teachers than there are people skilled & physically attractive enough to become actors. There are a ton of people who want to be actors, but few can actually cut the mustard in terms of ability and looks. There are tons of actors that make diddly-shit too, waiting tables by day and acting in B-grade films by night. If you want the big bucks, you have to have rare skills.

The president makes far less than football players mostly because his salary is set by congress, not a free market. The government is also not a corporation... Anyone getting to that position isn't looking for the money anyway, they want the power (and the money will definitely come afterwards anyway).

Society as a whole votes with their wallets. We see athletes getting paid a lot because a) lots of people pay good money to enjoy sporting events and b) few athletes have the skill necessary to compete at the professional level.

What can we do about this, realistically? We could limit the salaries of athletes, or tax them exorbitantly. What would this do? Easy - it would drive down the number of people willing to devote their lives to developing that skill, reducing the overall quality of competition in sports, and as a result sports would be less interesting. Plenty would still want to play, but not as many as before (depending on the cap / % of taxation). Supply and demand will always find equilibrium, reducing demand (player salaries) will result in reduced supply (athletes).
Yah because the dumb fucks strung up on steroids had so many other million dollar jobs waiting for them back home. You can't be serious....
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29-03-2012, 03:05 AM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
The income gap has gotten ridiculously big over the last 30 years.
When you look at those ratios of income fo a CEO to a blue collar worker, 500:1 is not unheard of, you really have to

There's always communism...
While in the past this was executed by imperfect people (which we all are) the system could now work with the means we have at our disposal. Now in the digital age everything can be transparrently watched
Perhaps give those who work harder more than those who work less, or those kids on Cribs that will never know what a hard days work is will end up with nothing at all.

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29-03-2012, 03:14 AM
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Socialism is the only solution for human equality and workers rights. I can't believe I'm saying this, but in the end, it is the most fair of all systems, IF it is not distorted, perverted and abused by fucktards known as human scum. So, yes, all you Americans that fear the word "communism", that is the only normal system in which all are equal and treated equally. Now, if that would only function in reality...

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29-03-2012, 08:05 AM (This post was last modified: 29-03-2012 08:07 AM by germanyt.)
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  Everything in that budget was best case scenario, with absolutely no other expenses. I am sorry but it was absolute BS corporate slave scenario. There were so many things not even on that list it was hilarious, as if the only things you need are electricity and water.

One accident, or if even something simple like his roommate leaves and he is fucked.
One credit card, and he is fucked.

This guy is on the thinnest line imaginable and the slightest breeze will tip him over, and like I said, this is with your best case scenario. And whats even worse, is this guy has no future at all. He will have to walk that tight rope the rest of his life.


Also people do need entertainment to survive. Its a biological need, otherwise we would go insane.
People are not going to come home and stare at a wall for 8 hours out of every day.

Who cares if its better than other countries? Its also a hell of a lot worse than a lot of other countries too. But thats not the topic of discussion.


Yah because the dumb fucks strung up on steroids had so many other million dollar jobs waiting for them back home. You can't be serious....
So what? You find yourself in a pickle you dig yourself back out. In the last 2 years I've gone from a 70K/year to like 30K/year. My credit score has gone from 740 to 470. I've had to let my buddy take over the payments on my 2010 F-150 because I couldn't afford them anymore. I now drive a fucking Sentra. A damn Sentra. Thanks 0 for 60. I payed my rent and car payment late for nearly a year. But working 2 jobs I managed to catch up and soon my wife will be working and I won't be making tuition payments anymore. When she's working I'm going back to school so that I can be comfortable one day. Have nice things and retire at an early age are a couple goals of mine. I'm also workin on my game so maybe I'll get invited to Q school. PGA here I come. It's like you feel you should have been plopped into a 6 figure job straight outta high school. The world doesn't work that way and I can tell you that spending your entire life being mad at what other people have will only leave you with nothing. You'll never have anything of your own because you don't understand the value.


(29-03-2012 03:14 AM)Filox Wrote:  Socialism is the only solution for human equality and workers rights. I can't believe I'm saying this, but in the end, it is the most fair of all systems, IF it is not distorted, perverted and abused by fucktards known as human scum. So, yes, all you Americans that fear the word "communism", that is the only normal system in which all are equal and treated equally. Now, if that would only function in reality...
Socialism breeds apathy and entitlement. Ever see the movie V for Vendetta? That is not at all out of the realm of possibility when you start letting the government control everything in your life.

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29-03-2012, 08:47 AM
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29-03-2012, 09:10 AM
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(29-03-2012 08:47 AM)Azaraith Wrote:  Budget was based on reality. If you can't get or keep a decent roommate, that's pathetic. I didn't factor in accidents and diseases because they are impossible to predict - you could get cancer or never even get a cold. There was $200 left over too...

' Wrote:Yah because the dumb fucks strung up on steroids had so many other million dollar jobs waiting for them back home. You can't be serious....[\quote]

Not all athletes are idiots... Capping incomes will cause them to switch to another sport, or where all sports are capped evenly, will drive away those that don't see the capped income as worth the physical risk and short career. There would be plenty of those types turned away. The few that have absolutely no skill or intelligence beyond football would not be enough - unless you are really saying the majority of athletes are dolts (they aren't). It would probably shift athletes towards the least risky sport with the longest career. Where there are leagues in other countries, that'd be an option too.

As far as socialism is concerned, it's been attempted and has failed. Most countries that are socialist now are heavily dependent on other countries and have mediocre/slow economies or worse. Some consider European countries as socialist, but they really aren't - aside from those that call themselves such. Sweden, for example, is capitalist but has high tax rates and welfare benefits (and a relatively flat growth in GDP adjusted for inflation from 1960-2011). China is the only socialist/communist country with high growth, though they turned very much towards capitalism in their economy, while maintaining communism socially and politically. (Allowing private markets to determine prices and wages, few limits on trade).


I'm always amused when I hear people talk up economic systems that have historically failed. It's usually on the basis of fairness and most often from people with what I call the entitlement mentality. They have nothing and want everything because other have something. Nevermind the fact that a democratic republic based on free market principles had churned out the most successful nation the world has known. The global financial and entertainment hub, military superpower, police and fire departments, incredible medical and technological breakthroughs, space exploration, etc. A place where few people would turn down the opportunity to live. The reasons often include access to higher education followed by jobs that allow them to support their families. Pension plans, 401Ks, medical and dental care. The ability to work and make a success of yourself. This really is a wonderful country and it could be even better but socialism is a step backwards IMO and I'll argue to the end with someone on this until I either convince them or they give up.

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29-03-2012, 10:22 AM (This post was last modified: 29-03-2012 10:56 AM by Antirepublican.)
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
A descent roommate? Just how pathetic have we become as a country? We now have to live in groups inside small apartments just to manage to scrap by?!? All it would take is the roommate to leave 1 month, and you would be struggling to pay the next months rent alone. That is pretty pathetic. Is this how low we have sunk as a nation? Why is it so hard to see the real problem is the disparity of wealth? Does someone really need a dozen homes and a garage full of cars, while you peddle to work, eat ramen noodles, and share one cramp apartment.

This country has been brainwashed with the idea that greed if great, no matter how extreme. The country is divided into the 'haves', and the 'have not''. Yet they would have you believe that you are not a 'have not', but a soon to have. The premise is absolutely laughable, yet every election year they turn out in droves to vote republican. It's as if they feel they are signing up for the lottery when they vote.

(29-03-2012 08:05 AM)germanyt Wrote:  
(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  Everything in that budget was best case scenario, with absolutely no other expenses. I am sorry but it was absolute BS corporate slave scenario. There were so many things not even on that list it was hilarious, as if the only things you need are electricity and water.

One accident, or if even something simple like his roommate leaves and he is fucked.
One credit card, and he is fucked.

This guy is on the thinnest line imaginable and the slightest breeze will tip him over, and like I said, this is with your best case scenario. And whats even worse, is this guy has no future at all. He will have to walk that tight rope the rest of his life.


Also people do need entertainment to survive. Its a biological need, otherwise we would go insane.
People are not going to come home and stare at a wall for 8 hours out of every day.

Who cares if its better than other countries? Its also a hell of a lot worse than a lot of other countries too. But thats not the topic of discussion.


Yah because the dumb fucks strung up on steroids had so many other million dollar jobs waiting for them back home. You can't be serious....
So what? You find yourself in a pickle you dig yourself back out. In the last 2 years I've gone from a 70K/year to like 30K/year. My credit score has gone from 740 to 470. I've had to let my buddy take over the payments on my 2010 F-150 because I couldn't afford them anymore. I now drive a fucking Sentra. A damn Sentra. Thanks 0 for 60. I payed my rent and car payment late for nearly a year. But working 2 jobs I managed to catch up and soon my wife will be working and I won't be making tuition payments anymore. When she's working I'm going back to school so that I can be comfortable one day. Have nice things and retire at an early age are a couple goals of mine. I'm also workin on my game so maybe I'll get invited to Q school. PGA here I come. It's like you feel you should have been plopped into a 6 figure job straight outta high school. The world doesn't work that way and I can tell you that spending your entire life being mad at what other people have will only leave you with nothing. You'll never have anything of your own because you don't understand the value.


(29-03-2012 03:14 AM)Filox Wrote:  Socialism is the only solution for human equality and workers rights. I can't believe I'm saying this, but in the end, it is the most fair of all systems, IF it is not distorted, perverted and abused by fucktards known as human scum. So, yes, all you Americans that fear the word "communism", that is the only normal system in which all are equal and treated equally. Now, if that would only function in reality...
Socialism breeds apathy and entitlement. Ever see the movie V for Vendetta? That is not at all out of the realm of possibility when you start letting the government control everything in your life.
You are the people we are trying to help. Stop buying into the lies, you will never likely never be rich, no matter how the country develops. However, you might just be able to make a livable wage with one job, have a decent paid vacation each year, and get some descent health coverage. However, first you have to stop buying into the lies and voting for these douchebag republicans who only care about tax breaks for themselves and their friends, no matter what the harm to the country and its citizens may be.
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29-03-2012, 11:15 AM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(28-03-2012 08:56 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  But the fact that you all don't see a problem with working your ass off to scrape by in life disturbs me.

Feel free to respond, BC; I don't particularly care who's on what side (I don't agree with germanyt on much, for example). I just say what I think.

(28-03-2012 08:56 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  I've been coming home exhausted with no money or time to change the fact that I come home exhausted with no money. I refuse to be grateful for table scraps. I eventually decided that I would risk my life if it paid well, so I joined the army. It paid 1200 a month, less than I made working in the dairy department at the grocery store. Meanwhile I have to watch people using auto-tune over generic beats get one song popular and be rewarded with 10 million dollars.

According to the active-duty pay scale on the Army website, Privates with no prior experience receive around $1,400 per month. And that's just basic salary; the Army also provides you with allowances to pay for food, housing, clothing, and the like. So I'm really not sure what it is that you're talking about when you say that you got paid less overall working for the Army than you did when working in the dairy department. Were you including the allowances, or not? I'm not saying you were lying, just trying to get an idea of what it is that you're talking about here because it doesn't fit what I know about the armed forces.

As for auto-tuned one-hit-wonders, I assume you're talking about Rebecca Black. She is, thankfully, one in a million; none of the other people who submitted songs to the company that produced that song for her got anywhere near as popular, and she only got as famous as she did because she was so bad.

Other musicians don't use auto-tune. They write their music, they practice their playing, and they work hard. You may not like what they're doing. You might think they're bad. But they put effort into maintaining their image and writing music that they think will sell. And even then, most musicians make far, far less than the huge-name rock stars, since they have to split the profits with record labels and the like. They work just as hard for anyone else. It's just not the same kind of work.

(28-03-2012 08:56 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  2nd string players who ride the bench for a profession make more than the president of the United States.

As has been explained before, the President's salary is set by Congress, not by supply and demand, so that's not really a fair comparison. As for second-stringers, they're still highly-skilled athletes who put a lot of work into their chosen profession in order to get where they are. Even if they never play, they're still well above the vast, vast majority of people who play sports in terms of skill. There's a very, very high demand for skilled sportsmen and a very, very low supply of the same. And they still have to keep in shape, keep their skills up to date, et cetera, even if they never actually get to set foot on the field. They're not getting paid for nothing.

(28-03-2012 08:56 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  Teachers make slightly more than janitors and 20 times less than actors.

As much as I respect teachers as a whole, this really doesn't bother me very much. Teaching, as a profession, does not have particularly high skill requirements. Almost anyone can do it. Teachers get higher salaries in institutions where the requirements to join the faculty are higher, like colleges and private schools. Otherwise, there are many other people out there who can do the job just as well.

(28-03-2012 08:56 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  The priorities in this country are fucked and the funds need to be allocated.

Allocated to what? To poverty relief? There's already a substantial budget for that. The government can't spend unlimited amounts of money to solve the problems of supply and demand.

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  Everything in that budget was best case scenario

No, everything in that budged was an actual budget. Did you read his post?

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  There were so many things not even on that list it was hilarious, as if the only things you need are electricity and water.

Again, $200. Or $145, if you want to include health insurance.

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  One accident, or if even something simple like his roommate leaves and he is fucked.

Savings. This is what they are for. Whatever is left over of the $145 after you use your "entertainment budget" or whatever other minor expenses pop up, you put into a savings account. If you don't have anything left over to save, then that's your fault for spending all of it on entertainment rather than saving it in case it's needed. It's your choice on how to use your money.

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  One credit card, and he is fucked.

One credit card... what? Used? Stolen? How often does that happen, exactly?

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  And whats even worse, is this guy has no future at all. He will have to walk that tight rope the rest of his life.

And you know this... how? There are ways to supplement your income, as well as to find new prospects. Personally, I write; before long, I'll begin selling the stories to monthly digests as well as look for publishers who want to buy a novel. I also save for an eventual return to college.

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  Also people do need entertainment to survive. Its a biological need, otherwise we would go insane.

No. It really isn't. And even if it is, just having a low budget doesn't mean that you are without entertainment. If it did, no one would have survived the Middle Ages (insert obvious joke about how you don't see any medieval peasants around today, hurr hurr). There are other means of entertainment, you know. Talking to one another is one.

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  People are not going to come home and stare at a wall for 8 hours out of every day.

No one is saying you have to. You're the only one who appears to think this is what happens.

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  Who cares if its better than other countries?

You're missing the point. There are people who live well below this line, with absolutely no prospects, all over the world. And they don't go insane out of a lack of an entertainment budget.

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  Yah because the dumb fucks strung up on steroids had so many other million dollar jobs waiting for them back home. You can't be serious....

Wow, way to insult all the athletes out there.

(29-03-2012 10:22 AM)Antirepublican Wrote:  Is this how low we have sunk as a nation? Why is it so hard to see the real problem is the disparity of wealth? Does someone really need a dozen homes and a garage full of cars, while you peddle to work, eat ramen noodles, and share one cramp apartment.

All right, let's say that this is a problem. Now, how do you propose we fix it?

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  This country has been brainwashed with the idea that greed if great, no matter how extreme, is always good. The country is divided into the 'haves', and the 'have not''.

News flash: every country in the history of the world has been divided into "haves" and "have-nots". It's impossible to remove this disparity. This is not a problem that's new to America.

(28-03-2012 11:42 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  Yet they would have you believe that you are not a 'have not', but a soon to have.

Which is, actually, entirely possible. Just because it doesn't happen to Person X, or even to you personally, doesn't mean that it's not possible. There is no magical barrier keeping people with low income from finding some way to supplement it. There are actually dozens of ways to do so very, very easily, if you take the time to look (again, like me, writing). Or you can join the military like Buddy Christ did, and have them pay for your housing, clothes, and food. Or just the Reserves. My father has been a part of both.

Are there people out there who have absolutely no prospects? Yes, of course. But there are far, far more people who do have plenty of prospects and who simply don't take the time to look for them, then blame the system for their own failings. As much as it is regrettable that there are people who have no way to move up in life, there's no real way to fix it. The system is not perfect, but there is no such thing as a perfect system.

"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
- A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner
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