Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
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14-03-2012, 02:29 AM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(14-03-2012 12:12 AM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  You have no idea what a poor person even is, or what it means to be poor. You are just talking out of your ass.

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14-03-2012, 02:41 PM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(14-03-2012 02:29 AM)Azaraith Wrote:  
(14-03-2012 12:12 AM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  You have no idea what a poor person even is, or what it means to be poor. You are just talking out of your ass.

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Let me solve that quandary for you. You are a troll and an idiot. You have no idea of what a poor person is, and think there is some magical 5 step program to cure it. You obviously have never been disadvantaged in life. Just a little pampered kid, who has been trained to be emotionless to others less fortunate.
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14-03-2012, 05:25 PM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
I love capitalism.

Encourage people to get educations, to start businesses, to work, to take risks, to build up businesses and employ people, to give people a chance to get work experience, to learn how successful businesses operate.

It creates industries, it creates prosperity, it provides services and goods for people at competitive prices.

Not only this, but wealthy people spend money, they buy cars they buy houses they buy boats, all this provides income for someone else.

Many wealthy people give to charity, or build up valuable industries in countries and towns desperately in need of work.

The negative side is not that successful people are wealthy. It is when society becomes corrupt. When getting a good job depends on which school you attend, when those schools are expensive private schools, when people promote their friends who are people that travel in the same socia-economic circles as themselves. When wealthy people influence government to benefit and keep a barrier between the rich and the poor.

I have no issues with a capitalist society which offers opportunity for all. Free education, free health care, support for those in financial need.
In this situation people are accountable to themselves. Their future is of their own making.
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14-03-2012, 06:39 PM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(14-03-2012 05:25 PM)Stevil Wrote:  I love capitalism.

Encourage people to get educations, to start businesses, to work, to take risks, to build up businesses and employ people, to give people a chance to get work experience, to learn how successful businesses operate.

It creates industries, it creates prosperity, it provides services and goods for people at competitive prices.

Not only this, but wealthy people spend money, they buy cars they buy houses they buy boats, all this provides income for someone else.

Many wealthy people give to charity, or build up valuable industries in countries and towns desperately in need of work.

The negative side is not that successful people are wealthy. It is when society becomes corrupt. When getting a good job depends on which school you attend, when those schools are expensive private schools, when people promote their friends who are people that travel in the same socia-economic circles as themselves. When wealthy people influence government to benefit and keep a barrier between the rich and the poor.

I have no issues with a capitalist society which offers opportunity for all. Free education, free health care, support for those in financial need.
In this situation people are accountable to themselves. Their future is of their own making.

take any honest society, apply any kind of economic model you wish and you'll have an utopia. I believe that's the main reason with economic models, socialist, communist, capitalist or whatever, all of them base their premisses in ideal societies, by ideal I don't mean morally good, but a ideal in the platonic sense, a simple society based on just a few principles. But that's false, humans and therefore societies are complex and eventually the simplistic approach every model we know of makes them fall Sad

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14-03-2012, 07:03 PM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(14-03-2012 06:39 PM)nach_in Wrote:  take any honest society, apply any kind of economic model you wish and you'll have an utopia. I believe that's the main reason with economic models, socialist, communist, capitalist or whatever, all of them base their premisses in ideal societies, by ideal I don't mean morally good, but a ideal in the platonic sense, a simple society based on just a few principles. But that's false, humans and therefore societies are complex and eventually the simplistic approach every model we know of makes them fall Sad

Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced.
I'm certainly no social or economic scholar and haven't done much research in this area. I have only ever lived in a capitalist society.

Discussing with a work colleague, she is a Chinese lady and was telling me how the Chinese Communism if done right would have been a perfect utopia.

But I couldn't see it.
How can being forced to live communally be better than living how you choose to live? Not being able to cook for yourself, not being able to choose your own vocation, not being able to choose to work hard in order to make a better life for yourself. Not being able to take risks and hence put your passion into something that you had only every dreamed of trying. Wouldn't this lead to a pessimistic culture, where nothing you do matters. Wouldn't life just be about obligation?
Would people get pissed at others whom are perceived as lazy, but thrive because assets are shared based on need as opposed to effort?
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14-03-2012, 07:22 PM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(14-03-2012 07:03 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(14-03-2012 06:39 PM)nach_in Wrote:  take any honest society, apply any kind of economic model you wish and you'll have an utopia. I believe that's the main reason with economic models, socialist, communist, capitalist or whatever, all of them base their premisses in ideal societies, by ideal I don't mean morally good, but a ideal in the platonic sense, a simple society based on just a few principles. But that's false, humans and therefore societies are complex and eventually the simplistic approach every model we know of makes them fall Sad

Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced.
I'm certainly no social or economic scholar and haven't done much research in this area. I have only ever lived in a capitalist society.

Discussing with a work colleague, she is a Chinese lady and was telling me how the Chinese Communism if done right would have been a perfect utopia.

But I couldn't see it.
How can being forced to live communally be better than living how you choose to live? Not being able to cook for yourself, not being able to choose your own vocation, not being able to choose to work hard in order to make a better life for yourself. Not being able to take risks and hence put your passion into something that you had only every dreamed of trying. Wouldn't this lead to a pessimistic culture, where nothing you do matters. Wouldn't life just be about obligation?
Would people get pissed at others whom are perceived as lazy, but thrive because assets are shared based on need as opposed to effort?

capitalis economies causes a lot of those things you said, many people can't choose the career they like because it's not well paid, maybe they can't choose to work hard because there's not enough work demand, being forced to work hard too often causes people being forced to give up their dreams, take a look at the USA it's turning into a very pessimistic and paranoid culture lately, the feeling of uselessness and depression is on the rise , people feel obligated to work and work and work just to cover their basic needs, and people get pissed of at rich people because they're perceived as lazy and assets are not distributed fairly among those who need them.

I just said that to show you how things you deem good can be viewed as bad from a different point of view, and both can be equally valid.

I'm not trying to defend any economic model, personally none of them convince me, I've bounced from capitalist to communist to socialist to economic anarchist and in the end I realized their all the same shit.

I'd recommend you read Utopia by Thomas More, if you're like me, when you finish it you'll want to move to Cuba Tongue

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15-03-2012, 05:02 AM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
In my experience at least 90% of people are out to do as little work as possible. I'm not the hardest worker on the planet, far from it, but I will do that little bit extra at work because I have pride in myself. Most people I work with however I have no desire to do anything like that, they will just do the bare minimum to get by. I see no reason that they should have the same opportunities in life as someone who works hard, they haven't earned them.

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15-03-2012, 07:37 AM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(14-03-2012 07:22 PM)nach_in Wrote:  I'd recommend you read Utopia by Thomas More, if you're like me, when you finish it you'll want to move to Cuba Tongue

Why don't you give it a try? Big Grin

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15-03-2012, 08:39 AM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(15-03-2012 07:37 AM)Azaraith Wrote:  
(14-03-2012 07:22 PM)nach_in Wrote:  I'd recommend you read Utopia by Thomas More, if you're like me, when you finish it you'll want to move to Cuba Tongue

Why don't you give it a try? Big Grin

oh no, I gave it a second thought later Blush

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17-03-2012, 05:20 PM
RE: Limited capitalism: a "you're too rich" cap on income
(15-03-2012 05:02 AM)Hughsie Wrote:  In my experience at least 90% of people are out to do as little work as possible. I'm not the hardest worker on the planet, far from it, but I will do that little bit extra at work because I have pride in myself. Most people I work with however I have no desire to do anything like that, they will just do the bare minimum to get by. I see no reason that they should have the same opportunities in life as someone who works hard, they haven't earned them.

Yes you both have the same job, even though you consider them slackers. In fact because the other guys are chummier with the boss, they will be probably get promoted over you. I am sure you have seen happen before.

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