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16-01-2017, 01:23 PM (This post was last modified: 16-01-2017 01:31 PM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: Live rally to save healthcare
Rand Paul tweeted the front page to the new republican bill "The ObamaCare Replacement Act."

Bye bye ACA.

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17-01-2017, 10:22 PM
RE: Live rally to save healthcare
The fatal flaws in the affordable care act are:
-- it took the cost of covering people who allowed insurance to lapse and spread it among people who already paid for insurance.
--it took the cost of pre-existing conditions and made everyone who did pay for coverage absorb those costs in insurance.
--it added coverage mandates that eliminated low cost options from the market that were truly just catastrophic insurance and not comprehensive plans, making plans for young working people unaffordable for them

Instead of larding up the market place with all sorts of regulations and mandates that the ACA did, a simple plan could have been to pass the tax as they did for those who did not purchase coverage, and use only those taxes to subsidize high risk insurance for those with pre-existing conditions as a separate product in the market. Skip the coverage mandates altogether. If the tax collected for not paying for coverage was indexed the the funds that go towards high risk insurance plans necessary to make those plans affordable, the taxes would go up until sufficient numbers of people find the insurance less expensive than the taxes.

BUT...everyone is opposed to taxes, so the tax for failing to obtain coverage was never high enough to have an impact on people's decisions to buy insurance, and the costs of achieving the other goals (increased people covered plus including pre-existing conditions) were passed on to responsible consumers who were paying for their own coverage. There was no way the ACA as constituted could have worked as Obama promised--it did not lower insurance prices as he promised, and to the extent that it did, it did so by moving people onto medicare or by subsidizing insurance that was now a lot more expensive.
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17-01-2017, 10:23 PM
RE: Live rally to save healthcare
(16-01-2017 01:23 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Rand Paul tweeted the front page to the new republican bill "The ObamaCare Replacement Act."

Bye bye ACA.

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18-01-2017, 02:11 AM
RE: Live rally to save healthcare
(15-01-2017 02:19 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Welcome to the age of patriotism, nationalism, and anti-liberalism.

"patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
Samuel Johnson.

BTW, your slogan is very Goebbels like. Consider

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19-01-2017, 06:42 AM
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(18-01-2017 02:11 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(15-01-2017 02:19 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Welcome to the age of patriotism, nationalism, and anti-liberalism.

"patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
Samuel Johnson.

BTW, your slogan is very Goebbels like. Consider

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19-01-2017, 06:58 AM
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(15-01-2017 02:30 PM)pablo Wrote:  
Quote:Welcome to the age of patriotism, nationalism, and anti-liberalism.

What's so great about all of that?
Blind patriotism and nationalism are fucking dangerous as hell, if you don't realize that you have your helmet on too tight.
A swing to the extreme far right isn't the answer to our problems, what we need is balance.

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19-01-2017, 07:11 AM
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(15-01-2017 02:54 PM)pablo Wrote:  
(15-01-2017 02:49 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Both democrats and republicans need a shift towards the center. But right now the American people will accept more right than left and that can be seen in the last 6 years of elections.

Not according to the most recent popular vote.

Dont forget that Democrats regularly get more overall votes than Republicans in Congressional races. LDH confuses structural biases underwritten by gerrymandering for the real thing. There has been 1 Republican Presidential popular vote victory over the last 6 Presidential elections.

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19-01-2017, 11:30 AM
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(19-01-2017 07:11 AM)tomilay Wrote:  
(15-01-2017 02:54 PM)pablo Wrote:  Not according to the most recent popular vote.

Dont forget that Democrats regularly get more overall votes than Republicans in Congressional races. LDH confuses structural biases underwritten by gerrymandering for the real thing. There has been 1 Republican Presidential popular vote victory over the last 6 Presidential elections.

The gerrymandering card is overplayed. Yes, gerrymandering occurs. Does it really have an effect? Maybe. Gerrymandering does not have an influence on senate races or governors races since those are popular vote, and yet republicans have destroyed democrats in those races over the last 8 years.

If democrats were piling up the senate and governor wins but losing in the house I would agree maybe gerrymandering is a problem. But as of right now republicans are winning those races that can't be gerrymandered.

As for the popular vote and presidential races, I imagine no republican will ever win a popular vote again, since California now uses a "top two" primary system. This prevents republicans from getting on the ballot for senate races. With no down ballot senate republicans to vote for on election day, California republicans have no reason to show up, inflating the democrat candidates numbers in the popular vote.

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21-01-2017, 02:35 AM
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(19-01-2017 11:30 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(19-01-2017 07:11 AM)tomilay Wrote:  Dont forget that Democrats regularly get more overall votes than Republicans in Congressional races. LDH confuses structural biases underwritten by gerrymandering for the real thing. There has been 1 Republican Presidential popular vote victory over the last 6 Presidential elections.

The gerrymandering card is overplayed. Yes, gerrymandering occurs. Does it really have an effect? Maybe. Gerrymandering does not have an influence on senate races or governors races since those are popular vote, and yet republicans have destroyed democrats in those races over the last 8 years.

If democrats were piling up the senate and governor wins but losing in the house I would agree maybe gerrymandering is a problem. But as of right now republicans are winning those races that can't be gerrymandered.

As for the popular vote and presidential races, I imagine no republican will ever win a popular vote again, since California now uses a "top two" primary system. This prevents republicans from getting on the ballot for senate races. With no down ballot senate republicans to vote for on election day, California republicans have no reason to show up, inflating the democrat candidates numbers in the popular vote.
Yes and the 8 years before that... voters are undeniably that stupid. A simple we are the opposite of the leader you don't like wins votes without any other effort needed in so many minds.

There's a reason people also want to feel they're voting for a "winner" and why primary races are always instantly decided and set after 4 states.

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21-01-2017, 09:52 AM
RE: Live rally to save healthcare
(15-01-2017 03:46 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(15-01-2017 03:30 PM)skyking Wrote:  bullshit. the ACA was trimmed and cobbled up by the repubs till it lost too much. It was the best that could get by the house and senate, and that wasn't good enough.

Lol what?

The ACA had 40 cosponsors. Only 3 were republican. And they dropped out after the mandate was added. 37 democrat cosponsors plus democrat Charlie Rangel did this bill. Not 1 republican in Congress voted yes.

The democrats had a majority in the house and senate, plus a democrat president.

They could have passed anything they wanted. To say this was the best they could do to get it through congress (when no republican voted for it anyway) is completely incorrect.

Do you realize that the ACA was modeled on the health care law in Massacusetts that was signed into law by Mitt Romney, the Republican governor of Massachusetts?

Every civilised nation in the world has centralized health care, yet U.S. Republicans keep going on about 'socialism'. That mindset is simplistic and ignorant.

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