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15-03-2015, 11:20 AM
Logic Proof for God
1) Logic exists everywhere in the universe.
2) Logic is thought.
3) Thought only comes from a mind.
Therefore, a mind created the universe.

Premise #2 could use some explanation, so I'll add the following:
Logic, in its various forms (including mathematics) has been something we discover, not something invented by man. It is not matter or energy. It does not require any dimensions in order to exist, and can exist outside the universe. What else is left for it to be, except thought?
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15-03-2015, 11:22 AM
RE: Logic Proof for God
(15-03-2015 11:20 AM)kselfri Wrote:  1) Logic exists everywhere in the universe.
2) Logic is thought.
3) Thought only comes from a mind.
Therefore, a mind created the universe.

Premise #2 could use some explanation, so I'll add the following:
Logic, in its various forms (including mathematics) has been something we discover, not something invented by man. It is not matter or energy. It does not require any dimensions in order to exist, and can exist outside the universe. What else is left for it to be, except thought?

Premise #2 is not the red herring, premise #1 is. Drinking Beverage

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15-03-2015, 11:32 AM
RE: Logic Proof for God
(15-03-2015 11:20 AM)kselfri Wrote:  1) Logic exists everywhere in the universe.
2) Logic is thought.
3) Thought only comes from a mind.
Therefore, a mind created the universe.

How do you know logic exists everywhere? Can you prove that? These logical syllogisms require the first premise be undeniably true. Yours isn't.

How is logic thought? It doesn't equal thought. Making some huge leaps here. These require the second premise be true. Yours isn't.

Hence, the conclusion is flawed.

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15-03-2015, 12:20 PM
RE: Logic Proof for God
(15-03-2015 11:20 AM)kselfri Wrote:  1) Logic exists everywhere in the universe.
2) Logic is thought.
3) Thought only comes from a mind.
Therefore, a mind created the universe.

Premise #2 could use some explanation, so I'll add the following:
Logic, in its various forms (including mathematics) has been something we discover, not something invented by man. It is not matter or energy. It does not require any dimensions in order to exist, and can exist outside the universe. What else is left for it to be, except thought?

The patterns that logic and math describe exist everywhere in the universe. The rules of logic and math that we use to describe the patterns exist only as thoughts. The patterns can exist without the descriptions, so we do not need a mind as the cause of the universe.

I'm just thinking out loud.
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15-03-2015, 12:32 PM
RE: Logic Proof for God
(15-03-2015 12:20 PM)KnowtheSilence Wrote:  The patterns that logic and math describe exist everywhere in the universe.

Do they really? Or do we just impose our imagination to provide structure so we don't go batshit bonkers?

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15-03-2015, 12:41 PM
RE: Logic Proof for God
(15-03-2015 12:20 PM)KnowtheSilence Wrote:  
(15-03-2015 11:20 AM)kselfri Wrote:  1) Logic exists everywhere in the universe.
2) Logic is thought.
3) Thought only comes from a mind.
Therefore, a mind created the universe.

Premise #2 could use some explanation, so I'll add the following:
Logic, in its various forms (including mathematics) has been something we discover, not something invented by man. It is not matter or energy. It does not require any dimensions in order to exist, and can exist outside the universe. What else is left for it to be, except thought?

The patterns that logic and math describe exist everywhere in the universe. The rules of logic and math that we use to describe the patterns exist only as thoughts. The patterns can exist without the descriptions, so we do not need a mind as the cause of the universe.

Well, that's way too Platonic for my tastes. Consider

Logic and math are, as far as we know, applicable everywhere in the universe. They only exist in our heads.

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15-03-2015, 12:47 PM
RE: Logic Proof for God
Another proof: existence of universe is illogical therefore there must be a creator
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15-03-2015, 12:48 PM
RE: Logic Proof for God
Why is it illogical?

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15-03-2015, 12:53 PM
RE: Logic Proof for God
(15-03-2015 12:48 PM)The Polyglot Atheist Wrote:  Why is it illogical?
Why is there something rather nothing?
Where did universe come from?(or first virtual particles)
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15-03-2015, 01:20 PM (This post was last modified: 15-03-2015 01:27 PM by Ace.)
RE: Logic Proof for God
kalaam which is what the OP amounts to




platonism




god :




agenticity




hallucinations




falsifiability




pragmatism




null hypothesis


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