Logic vs. Theism
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13-03-2017, 09:43 AM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 09:15 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Faith without works is dead your suppose to make this world a better place immerse yourself in it like you would immerse yourself with the poor to help the poor.

> I'm a humanitarian. I help people all the time. I don't need your God or faith to accomplish that goal. My happiness comes from contemplating the happiness I bring to others, and that is reward enough for me.
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13-03-2017, 10:25 AM (This post was last modified: 13-03-2017 11:07 AM by unfogged.)
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 09:15 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Faith without works is dead your suppose to make this world a better place immerse yourself in it like you would immerse yourself with the poor to help the poor.


Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

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13-03-2017, 10:55 AM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 09:15 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Faith without works is dead your suppose to make this world a better place immerse yourself in it like you would immerse yourself with the poor to help the poor.

I don't have faith. The best thing I can do to make this a better world is to accept that reason is my only means of knowledge and act accordingly, being the best person I can, respecting the rights of others and neither sacrificing my life for them nor sacrificing theirs for mine.

But making the world a better place is not my purpose. My purpose is to live the best life I can and any effect that has on the world is secondary. What the world needs more now than ever is rational men, not more mystics with their irrational faith.

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13-03-2017, 01:13 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
Faith is like traveling through the forest with just a map and a compass

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...es+2:14-26
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13-03-2017, 01:23 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 01:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Faith is like traveling through the forest with just a map and a compass

Faith is like traveling through the forest at night, blindfolded, with earplugs and your hands and feet bound.

Faith is a little tweeting bird chirping in a rock concert. Faith is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD.

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13-03-2017, 01:24 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 01:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Faith is like traveling through the forest with just a map and a compass

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...es+2:14-26

So your posts consist of :

1.Ignorant paraphrasing.

2. Non-sequiturs.

3. Mindless bible quotes.

You might as well be quoting a Star Trek character when you quote the bible. Except Star Trek characters are more interesting and intelligent than biblical authors.

You utterly fail to make any relevant point when you do this. Drinking Beverage

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13-03-2017, 01:30 PM
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Faith: A blind man looking in a black room for a black cat that isn't there, and finding it.
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13-03-2017, 02:42 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 01:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Faith is like traveling through the forest with just a map and a compass

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...es+2:14-26


Your analogy fails. A forest and a compass are real. A map and compass require reason to work. Faith is pretending that the imaginary is real, i.e. the primacy of consciousness.

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13-03-2017, 03:08 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 09:43 AM)Gwaithmir Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 09:15 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Faith without works is dead your suppose to make this world a better place immerse yourself in it like you would immerse yourself with the poor to help the poor.

> I'm a humanitarian. I help people all the time. I don't need your God or faith to accomplish that goal. My happiness comes from contemplating the happiness I bring to others, and that is reward enough for me.



Loving, caring, helping people is far more beautiful without a god, than with one. You're freely choosing to give your emotions and compassion and love to others. No one is threatening or forcing or rewarding you for it. You do it because to you it has value and meaning in its own right.


To me there is nothing in the universe more beautiful and amazing as this.


Thank you Gwaithmir

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13-03-2017, 03:11 PM
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I like how Aron Ra puts it

"Faith is choosing to believe in something you know ain't so"

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