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13-03-2017, 10:23 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 07:21 PM)JesseB Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 07:16 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  You keep telling us to read Bible verses as if the Bible were some kind of authority, all the while ignoring my OP. Read the Bible, read the Bible, do what it says. Why should we when it has been shown to be contrary to reason. You people are really good at compartmentalization, I'll tell you.

You mean like this kid?



Now you've done it. Child preachers are my most pet peeve in the world. Right up there with Goatheads in my bike tires.

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13-03-2017, 10:26 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 07:36 PM)socialistview Wrote:  There has to be justice too fucked not to have justice but god is compassionate and doesnt want anyone to go to hell.

Except in the story book, he created them already knowing they would go to Hell. Besides fschmidt already told us that God is not conscious so it can't have any wants or compassion.

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13-03-2017, 10:28 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 10:23 PM)true scotsman Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 07:21 PM)JesseB Wrote:  You mean like this kid?



Now you've done it. Child preachers are my most pet peeve in the world. Right up there with Goatheads in my bike tires.

Agreed, child abuse is sickening and so common in Christianity.

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13-03-2017, 10:41 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
In order for god to be a good god in this fairy tale he has to be just and judge people for their wrong doing. Realisticly as the answer you want but its like saying why should there be consequences.
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13-03-2017, 10:46 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 10:41 PM)socialistview Wrote:  In order for god to be a good god in this fairy tale he has to be just and judge people for their wrong doing. Realisticly as the answer you want but its like saying why should there be consequences.

And yet for evil to exist in your fairy tale he had to create evil in the first place, meaning he can never be a good god. No good god would create evil.

And I'm gonna call you out for moving the goal post separating the reality of your religion from your argument by switching to a fairy tale god.


Also you're simply wrong. You have yet to offer any evidence for your god, so we have to deal with reality not your fairy tale. Meaning there is no god, or supernatural, and there is no sin, or need for judgement. Specifically there's no need to switch from the default position which is dealing with the reality for which there IS evidence for.

I may have written above your reading comprehension level.... we will see.... If so I apologize for having been mean and making my response too hard for you.

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13-03-2017, 10:56 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 10:41 PM)socialistview Wrote:  In order for god to be a good god in this fairy tale he has to be just and judge people for their wrong doing. Realisticly as the answer you want but its like saying why should there be consequences.

It's not that there should be consequences, but that there are consequences for irrational actions and the consequences happen in this life. The criminal knows his wealth is not earned. The rapist knows he could never get consent. The fraud knows he's not good enough to get by without cheating people. Each has to live his life knowing some day it will all catch up with him. Each must live in fear.

I've read that Bernie Madoff has said that he is happier now in jail than he was before he got caught.

Irrationality leads to destruction. Never worry that someone goes unpunished for evil in this world without gods.

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13-03-2017, 11:27 PM
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For one thing we have faith in what we do not see. And God created evil mabe so we can have free will. Becuase before adam ate the fruit good and evil didn't affect them. So they had no understanding of good or evil.
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13-03-2017, 11:29 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 11:27 PM)socialistview Wrote:  For one thing we have faith in what we do not see. And God created evil mabe so we can have free will. Becuase before adam ate the fruit good and evil didn't affect them. So they had no understanding of good or evil.

So..... you're either admitting you're making it all up.... or you're admitting you don't know anything.......

"Faith is believing what you know ain't so" -Mark Twain (a far better writer than those of the bible)

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13-03-2017, 11:32 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 11:27 PM)socialistview Wrote:  For one thing we have faith in what we do not see. And God created evil mabe so we can have free will. Becuase before adam ate the fruit good and evil didn't affect them. So they had no understanding of good or evil.

If they had no knowledge of good and evil then they were not rational beings to begin with so that to punish them would be like bringing a wild animal into the house and punishing it for shitting on the carpet. It didn't know any better. Honestly socialist view, do you not see the contradictions in what you post?

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14-03-2017, 12:13 AM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(13-03-2017 11:27 PM)socialistview Wrote:  For one thing we have faith in what we do not see. And God created evil mabe so we can have free will. Becuase before adam ate the fruit good and evil didn't affect them. So they had no understanding of good or evil.

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