Logic vs. Theism
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14-03-2017, 11:32 AM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...2014:22-27
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14-03-2017, 11:46 AM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(14-03-2017 11:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...2014:22-27


FUCK! and here I went and thanked you for using the reply button.... sigh.... oh well.

Also I asked YOU to clarify, I'm not interested in anyone else doing your thinking for you. Do you not see the POINT of what we're doing here is to understand YOUR thoughts? What others have to say (especially one's long dead) isn't relevant to what YOU currently think.

(especially when its been demonstrated that you don't fully grasp the book you keep quoting, see at least one of my previous posts that uses your site to debunk you, which you ignored. as I expected you would).

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14-03-2017, 12:13 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
Gods the same way he's sad when tou go to hell just as much as the mother.
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14-03-2017, 12:16 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(14-03-2017 12:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Gods the same way he's sad when tou go to hell just as much as the mother.

Then perhaps he should have set up a better system.

Your god is either an incompetent buffoon or as a vicious thug and perhaps both.

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14-03-2017, 12:27 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(14-03-2017 12:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Gods the same way he's sad when tou go to hell just as much as the mother.

Bullshit. If God is as Christianity defines him, he would be incapable of being hurt or offended or sad. He's perfect, and that precludes any and all negative emotions.
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14-03-2017, 03:02 PM
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(14-03-2017 12:27 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 12:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Gods the same way he's sad when tou go to hell just as much as the mother.

Bullshit. If God is as Christianity defines him, he would be incapable of being hurt or offended or sad. He's perfect, and that precludes any and all negative emotions.
I don't know that it precludes "negative" emotions, particularly since god had all sorts of negative and petty emotions (anger, jealousy) ascribed to him.

But what it DOES violate about god is it makes him dependent on others. If others can disappoint god or make him sad, then he is not self-sufficient or independent and therefore not omnipotent. Also a disappointed god is a surprised god, which violates his supposed omniscience. Finally, a vengeful god is not a good god, which violates his omnibenevolence.
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14-03-2017, 03:06 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(14-03-2017 03:02 PM)mordant Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 12:27 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  Bullshit. If God is as Christianity defines him, he would be incapable of being hurt or offended or sad. He's perfect, and that precludes any and all negative emotions.
I don't know that it precludes "negative" emotions, particularly since god had all sorts of negative and petty emotions (anger, jealousy) ascribed to him.

But what it DOES violate about god is it makes him dependent on others. If others can disappoint god or make him sad, then he is not self-sufficient or independent and therefore not omnipotent. Also a disappointed god is a surprised god, which violates his supposed omniscience. Finally, a vengeful god is not a good god, which violates his omnibenevolence.

I thought a bit more after posting, and yes, "negative emotions" is a bit too restrictive. God should not have any emotions at all, for the reasons you give, even though he displays plenty of them in the Bible, especially the Old Testament. But Christian theology portrays him as being a "perfect" being, which would rule out emotions of any kind.

So religion is self-contradictory -- surprise, surprise!
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14-03-2017, 04:07 PM
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(14-03-2017 09:40 AM)socialistview Wrote:  God cares.

> Prove it.
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14-03-2017, 04:13 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(14-03-2017 11:32 AM)socialistview Wrote:  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...2014:22-27

> Quotes from your book of mythology are not evidence or proof for your beliefs. They are unproven claims.
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15-03-2017, 07:16 AM
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=NIV
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