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15-03-2017, 08:35 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(15-03-2017 07:12 PM)socialistview Wrote:  The bible doesnt endorse it but accept it as something that happened the new testament especially didn't endorse slavery.

There is no moral difference between "accepting" slavery and "endorsing" slavery, especially if you are the omnipotent ruler of the universe. Stop making excuses for your thug god.

Quote: And beating people not in the new testament.

Luke 12: 47-48 (King James) And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Stop making excuses for your thug god.

Quote: Who cares finite crime you did a crime that resonates through history.

That's simply ridiculous. Stop making excuses for your thug god.

Quote: Jews went to heaven when jesus resurrected.

You know this how? You have what actual evidence supporting this? You can demonstrate the truth of this exactly how?

Quote: And the old testament tries to imply that even as a flawed man if you try to obey the law or trying to be good you'll make it to heaven and those who judge against the man that's trying to be good will go to hell becuase they are like to say they like to look like there doing good and obeying the word and look like a good person but their flawed just as much as him and should be judging if you get what I'm trying to get at.

I'm not even going to try to parse that jumble of nonsense because I don't give a flying fuck what you are trying to get at. You have no evidence for any of your claims beyond ancient scribblings from barely literate, pre-scientific, barbaric cultures that were making up stories to assuage their fears over the unknown. Some of us have moved past that. You really need to understand that nobody here gives a damn what the bible says because you can't show that isn't just a big book of mythology.

Quote:The jews didn't understand that your not suppose to look so critical of things and live with emotion and not emotionless.

WTAF? Jews aren't Vulcans.

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16-03-2017, 06:58 AM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
Taking scripture out of context. and I'm talking about the theology of the bible. Not proof that it was actually inspired.
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16-03-2017, 07:09 AM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(16-03-2017 06:58 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Taking scripture out of context. and I'm talking about the theology of the bible. Not proof that it was actually inspired.

Nobody here cares about the "theology of the bible" even if there was a single interpretation of it. It's mythology.

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16-03-2017, 07:09 AM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(16-03-2017 06:58 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Taking scripture out of context. and I'm talking about the theology of the bible. Not proof that it was actually inspired.

Yeah, you do take it out of context every time you engage in ignorant paraphrasing. Drinking Beverage

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16-03-2017, 11:53 AM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(16-03-2017 06:58 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Taking scripture out of context. and I'm talking about the theology of the bible. Not proof that it was actually inspired.

The reason there's a fucking reply button is so we can take comments like these and place them into context so we know what you're talking about, and can formulate a well structured response.......


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16-03-2017, 12:08 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(16-03-2017 06:58 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Taking scripture out of context. and I'm talking about the theology of the bible. Not proof that it was actually inspired.

Now I would like to address your mindless assertion, that verses that condone slavery (thereby endorsing slavery by extension) are taken out of context.

1. There is no context which would change the point. There is no context which would change "Obey your master even if he's an abusive fuck" (paraphrasing the bible here) into something that is less reprehensible.

2. It sounds like you're mindlessly saying out of context because an Atheist know's the bible better than you do. I can assure you these verses are not being used out of context. Intellectual honesty would get you far on a site like this, please try and use it.

3. The all powerful all mighty all knowing all good "GODDDDDDUH" (the way Christians I meet always pronounce it) is given a choice.

Option 1 He could say.... um hey everyone... owning slaves is kinda a dick move, knock it the fuck off.

Option 2 He could say.... Hey guys slavery's OK and here's some rules to make it better (which would be implied by the second half even if he didn't openly state the first half of this statement)

Option 3 He could say... Nothing

Option 4 He could say... I love slaves

Now to your mind only option 4 is an endorsement of slavery (hint you're fucking wrong about that)
There is only one right answer in this situation. Your god dun fucked up. get over it.

Finally, slavery was endorsed and encouraged and justified by Christians for far longer than its been denounced by them. They used the same bible to justify their position, and frankly they had a better understanding of it than you do.

It was those who didn't believe in your god. Deists, non theists, along with Christians who could see this was a mistake, who forced through time and in this country a fucking war the changes that cause you to now denounce slavery. That cause you to jump through hoops to ignore reality.

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16-03-2017, 12:13 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(16-03-2017 12:08 PM)JesseB Wrote:  Now I would like to address your mindless assertion, that verses that condone slavery (thereby endorsing slavery by extension) are taken out of context.
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Well said.

The same is true for the issue of beating your slaves and the irony there is even worse... the verses about beating your slave in the NT are outlining that the severity of the beating should be based on the severity of the offense and that's pretty hypocritical coming from a god that has but one punishment no matter what the "sin" was.

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16-03-2017, 12:52 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(16-03-2017 12:13 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(16-03-2017 12:08 PM)JesseB Wrote:  Now I would like to address your mindless assertion, that verses that condone slavery (thereby endorsing slavery by extension) are taken out of context.
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Well said.

The same is true for the issue of beating your slaves and the irony there is even worse... the verses about beating your slave in the NT are outlining that the severity of the beating should be based on the severity of the offense and that's pretty hypocritical coming from a god that has but one punishment no matter what the "sin" was.
Agreed, but this is where a believer will deploy special pleading.

Something like this:

<funhouse_mirrors_mode>
God, being all-knowing and free from sin, can make it up as he goes, but we can't because we are prone to caprice. God can clearly see the best / right / ultimate good in any one situation, and doesn't have to be proportional. Proportionality is for us, so that we tend to operate more fairly.

This is like what I mentioned recently in another thread (I think), that I have heard the (admittedly not mainstream) argument that god alone can engage in situational ethics, even to the point of doing evil that good may come of it. We can't do that, because we aren't all-knowing, but god can.
</funhouse_mirrors_mode>
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16-03-2017, 12:58 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(16-03-2017 12:52 PM)mordant Wrote:  
(16-03-2017 12:13 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Well said.

The same is true for the issue of beating your slaves and the irony there is even worse... the verses about beating your slave in the NT are outlining that the severity of the beating should be based on the severity of the offense and that's pretty hypocritical coming from a god that has but one punishment no matter what the "sin" was.
Agreed, but this is where a believer will deploy special pleading.

Something like this:

<funhouse_mirrors_mode>
God, being all-knowing and free from sin, can make it up as he goes, but we can't because we are prone to caprice. God can clearly see the best / right / ultimate good in any one situation, and doesn't have to be proportional. Proportionality is for us, so that we tend to operate more fairly.

This is like what I mentioned recently in another thread (I think), that I have heard the (admittedly not mainstream) argument that god alone can engage in situational ethics, even to the point of doing evil that good may come of it. We can't do that, because we aren't all-knowing, but god can.
</funhouse_mirrors_mode>

Props for the pseudocode Smile

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16-03-2017, 03:09 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
How do you know its mythology its telling you that you will get real physical results if you obeys gods command. But have faith that's all I can tell you becuase hav ing evidence for god is not faith.
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