Logic vs. Theism
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29-03-2017, 01:17 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(29-03-2017 05:44 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(28-03-2017 10:45 PM)Dark Wanderer Wrote:  So does this mean the Jesus parts aren't meant to be taken literally as well? Including the sacrifice? What about the whole concept of a god existing at all? What that not literal?

If the entire book isn't taken literal then I fail to see the point of it. Sounds like a book of fairy tales and badly wrote poems to me.
Sacrifice is to be of wants/ desires of self and can lead to literal self sacrifice or martyrdom in cases.

As far as GOD being your literal physical earthly father? Not exactly; but being the cause of all existence, then still, in a way, could be seen figuratively as a father of sorts.

The bible, nor other profound writings should be attempted to be read or understood if someone can't even think of things in a non literal or material form.

You can find the same truths searching yourself with honesty.

But if you can't be honest about comprehending the bible then your level of self honesty may be miniscule as well.



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I tried reading it and found it badly written and very boring. The books I read to my daughter are more interesting. Sorry, but I'm not seeing whatever it is that you're seeing. Maybe if you'd share whatever it is that you're smoking?
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29-03-2017, 01:59 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(29-03-2017 10:21 AM)Vera Wrote:  
(29-03-2017 07:16 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  Haha, yeah Big Grin

Not sure of the origin of it. It means "Go for it, do as much as you like".

Love it! (was gonna ask the same thing as unfogged. Great minds and all that Rolleyes )

A bit of googling led me to this:

So far, the best origin story I've heard is that of "when plundering, using every available container - i.e., even your boots". It feels as though there may be more to it than this, but I've not discovered it yet. What say?

And

At the HMS Victory museum in Portsmouth UK, you can buy a thick leather cup lined with pitch. This is a replica of the sailor's mug used on board in Nelson's time, and it was used (among other things) for the rum ration when issued. This cup is called a "boot", and when things were good and you got an extra rum ration, sailors were told "Fill Yer Boots"!

And

In quick time they were at the wine-pipe; for a moment the new hands seemed at a loss for the means of getting the wine to their mouths; but the "wide-a-awake" boy sliped (sic) off one of his shoes in a twinkling, dipped it into the cask and drank.

"Drink, you devils, drink!" he said; "its all one how much you drink, only don't get drunk!" And again he filled his shoe, and again he drank. The previous debauch in connexion with the new, soon tumbled him on the ground; and he lay there gradually sinking into stupidity; but, as he took his leave of consciousness, he admonished the others to take care of themselves; to take as much as they could rightly carry; but not to get drunk, saying, as he sunk lower and lower himself, "Fill your boots, boys—fill your boots! Give me one small drop in a shoe to make me well again, for I'm— I'm—."

Alas, poor humanity! There lay in the deepest degradation, as good a fighting soldier, and, when he could not get drink, as cleanly and active a fellow as ever the English army possessed


All in all, what we can conclude from this, is I want a drink. Either rum or cahcaça will do Yes

That's awesome, thanks! There's so many dumb phrases I use that I have no idea how they ever started.

I have a website here which discusses the issues and terminology surrounding religion and atheism. It's hopefully user friendly to all.
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29-03-2017, 02:47 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(29-03-2017 01:59 PM)Robvalue Wrote:  That's awesome, thanks! There's so many dumb phrases I use that I have no idea how they ever started.


Me wanted to be an etymologist when much, much younger (a kid, really), me still fascinated with the origin of words and phrases Blush

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29-03-2017, 03:23 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
My first thought was... "Why would Vera really be into 'Bugs'...?"

Not saying there's anything wrong with collecting insects and such for science, research, hobby etc.

Then I realized which words I'd mixed up. Blush
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29-03-2017, 07:23 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(29-03-2017 03:23 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  My first thought was... "Why would Vera really be into 'Bugs'...?"

Not saying there's anything wrong with collecting insects and such for science, research, hobby etc.

Then I realized which words I'd mixed up. Blush

Vera is soooooo *not* into bugs, but apparently, to riff on a phrase* by a famous Bulgarian figure , bugs are really into Vera Dodgy I was afraid I was gonna need a bigger boat blouse by the end of my stay at the place I was until this Monday - my arms were swollen so much and I'm not even sure what bit me. Felt like I was in a sequel of that Gilbert Grape movie: What's eating Vera Paunova? Dodgy

* Time is in us and we are in time. It changes us and we change it. (Sounds kinda weird in English, to be honest. Much better in Bulgarian)

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31-03-2017, 05:49 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
Sins is something that displeases god, god is holy so we have to describe holy what is holy?
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31-03-2017, 06:01 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(31-03-2017 05:49 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Sins is something that displeases god, god is holy so we have to describe holy what is holy?

Sin is something that displeases bigfoot, bigfoot is hairy so we have to describe hairy what is hairy?

Until you show evidence that your god exists it makes more sense to discuss bigfoot. That is at least somewhat plausible, at least by comparison.

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31-03-2017, 06:36 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(31-03-2017 06:01 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(31-03-2017 05:49 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Sins is something that displeases god, god is holy so we have to describe holy what is holy?

Sin is something that displeases bigfoot, bigfoot is hairy so we have to describe hairy what is hairy?

Until you show evidence that your god exists it makes more sense to discuss bigfoot. That is at least somewhat plausible, at least by comparison.

Hairy is Sasquatch holiness, lack of hair is not.

Holy:

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Harry, but not holy:

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Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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31-03-2017, 06:59 PM
RE: Logic vs. Theism
(31-03-2017 06:36 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(31-03-2017 06:01 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Sin is something that displeases bigfoot, bigfoot is hairy so we have to describe hairy what is hairy?

Until you show evidence that your god exists it makes more sense to discuss bigfoot. That is at least somewhat plausible, at least by comparison.

Hairy is Sasquatch holiness, lack of hair is not.

Holy:

Harry, but not holy:

Holy Hairy Harry!
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