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02-01-2015, 12:44 PM
Low income families
Not having endured poverty, I struggle to understand the claims made by socialists, they seem to blame the wealthy for their plight, they seem to blame a government which encourages economic prosperity, encourages business and industry (which in turn creates jobs and income).

In my country NZ we have free childcare and massively subsidised medical care for all. School is free, unless you choose to spend thousands each year on private schools. Our universities are subsidised and interest free loans are offered by the government as well and financial support to students of poor families in order to pay for courses and accommodation. Our jobless get given money for not working, our jobless mothers get given money to support their children (without limit to how many children a jobless, partnerless mother chooses to have), The government provides free advice and support to help the jobless find jobs, they provide free skills training and even subsidise some jobs.

And yet we get ridiculous claims that a wealthy CEO earning top dollar and driving a company into prosperity is greedy and is the cause of poverty. Claims that an unskilled extra to Hobbit movies should get profit share in the movie takings rather than be paid a wage for time rendered.

Anyway, what sparked this post is me reading a recent article about keeping your kids up with reading books during the summer holidays http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/articl...=11381374.
They talk about how some kids are advantaged by being brought into libraries and taking out many books.
Quote:"You've got those parents, you see them in the libraries and their kids are checking out 20 books at a time - they are the ones that are really going to move quickly and do well over summer,"
BTW that's my family, actually we take out about 40 or so books a week, we read to the kids each night, get our 6 year old to read to us. And often see our 6 year old excited and reading on her own, going through the stack of books.

Now in NZ, library membership is free. Taking books out is free.

Here's the offending claim in the article
Quote:Low-income families are mostly affected by holiday reading loss because of limited access to books and other learning materials.
Libraries are FREE, did I forget to mention that?
So why are these low income families not taking books home for their kids to read?
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02-01-2015, 01:03 PM
RE: Low income families
I don't know about NZ

But here in the US while libraries are free they generally aren't equal across the country.

When I lived in California the libraries I had access to were huge. In poorer areas they were far smaller. But you could only take out 6 books, and you borrowed them for a month.

When we moved to Oregon I had to travel many miles to find a decent library. It made going back and forth during the summer challenging. Eventually I gave up.

Our area recently got a new library but I honestly haven't had time to check it out.

Our last one was located in a shopping mall and was rather appalling.


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02-01-2015, 01:19 PM
RE: Low income families
(02-01-2015 12:44 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Not having endured poverty...

There's your problem.

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02-01-2015, 01:21 PM
RE: Low income families
(02-01-2015 01:03 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  ...But here in the US while libraries are free they generally aren't equal across the country.

When I lived in California the libraries I had access to were huge. In poorer areas they were far smaller. But you could only take out 6 books, and you borrowed them for a month.
If you are married with two children then that is 4 accounts = 24 books. Surely you don't have to use up the full month, if you've read the books in a week, you can go back the next week? I would guess most people, even low income families travel to do the groceries every week.

But you have a fair point about not all libraries being equal. Those in big cities are likely to be bigger with more selection and those in small towns are likely to be smaller.

In NZ over a quarter of the country populous lives in just one city, Auckland. Of the Auckland suburbs there is larger poverty in Otara, Manukau, Papatoetoe, Otahuhu etc. But Auckland have now become a super city. The libraries are all connected. If you can't find a book in your library you just order it in and they ship it free of charge from other libraries around the city. The wealthy and the poor districts of Auckland offer the same rules because the libraries are part of the super city.
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02-01-2015, 01:23 PM
RE: Low income families
I am pretty certain every public library I have come across (in US) was free-- if there was a charge it was for late fees, or printing from the computers, etc


this topic has so many factors....I don't have the energy.

but distribution of "the perks" and access to them play a big part. If it is provided but you don't have the ability (transport, etc), to access them, are they really a benefit to all, or just those that can afford the transport?


ugh...I'm checking out, my head hurts already.


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02-01-2015, 01:24 PM
RE: Low income families
(02-01-2015 01:19 PM)BlackMason Wrote:  
(02-01-2015 12:44 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Not having endured poverty...

There's your problem.
That's enlightening.

Can you suggest why the low income families aren't able to take advantage of the free libraries, and hence why the middle income and higher are privileged in this regard?

I am trying to get an education here from some people that may have experienced poverty and may know of the pitfalls that I am currently blind to.
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02-01-2015, 01:28 PM
RE: Low income families
(02-01-2015 01:23 PM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  but distribution of "the perks" and access to them play a big part.
Sorry, I don't know what is meant by "the perks"?

(02-01-2015 01:23 PM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  If it is provided but you don't have the ability (transport, etc), to access them, are they really a benefit to all, or just those that can afford the transport?
How do the low income families get the groceries? Surely they have access to transport.


Edit: By perks do you mean free libraries?
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02-01-2015, 01:30 PM
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its also kind of difficult because some of the issues might be unique to NZ so hard from a US point if view to know.

population and geography play a role in it.

NZ is approz 4 million, the US 316 million. As a parent I can handle two children pretty well, but give me 12 children and I start limiting on what is provided because I just cant manage that many even if the cost per person stays the same.

having people geographically near each other helps, its just hard to compare the difficulties of a place like the US (and where I draw my experiences and knowledge from).


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02-01-2015, 01:32 PM
RE: Low income families
(02-01-2015 01:28 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(02-01-2015 01:23 PM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  but distribution of "the perks" and access to them play a big part.
Sorry, I don't know what is meant by "the perks"?

(02-01-2015 01:23 PM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  If it is provided but you don't have the ability (transport, etc), to access them, are they really a benefit to all, or just those that can afford the transport?
How do the low income families get the groceries? Surely they have access to transport.


Edit: By perks do you mean free libraries?

do you have as many libraries as you do grocery stores?

perks- libraries, healthcare, and all those other things that you listed in the first post that are paid for by NZ govt.


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02-01-2015, 01:41 PM
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(02-01-2015 01:30 PM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  As a parent I can handle two children pretty well, but give me 12 children and I start limiting on what is provided because I just cant manage that many even if the cost per person stays the same.
Yes, time management can be an issue. But number of children doesn't have to be related to income.
The statement was that low income families don't make use of the libraries over the summer holidays. It wasn't a statement about large families vs small families.

I'm not sure if lower income families are more likely to have large families.
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