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03-06-2016, 03:23 PM
RE: MS Forcing Win 10 Upgrades... help
Actually, windows 10 lets you happily live like you still had 7. It's coming back towards 7 from 8, which was a mess.

If you are on 7 because you hated 8, 10 is going to be a lot easier on you.

Also, they claim 10 is the last one. From now on they will only update 10, no more new releases. Or so I have heard.

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03-06-2016, 03:43 PM
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(03-06-2016 02:17 PM)unsapien Wrote:  Our IT department (just one guy actually) spent a week turning off the automatic updates on all the computers in our company and reversing the damage to the ones he didn't get to on time, cause some of the software we use doesn't work properly on windows 10.

I got it with my new computer at home and I am okay with it, but of course I did have to spend the first hour or so uninstalling all the crap they bundle with it.

But most importantly for those that have accepted the upgrade...go to settings and "privacy"...

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...and see all the settings they have are ON by default and by "ON" I mean they can basically get full access to everything you do on your computer. Oh look you have an "ADVERTISING ID" how nice for them. Go through each tab on the left and read it. It's important. I turned all the settings off, cause I figured if there is something I need to turn on I can just turn on that 1 setting only, after 5 months it hasn't happened yet.

Thanks for this, I had no idea! I just flipped almost all of them off. The nerve.
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04-06-2016, 12:06 AM
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(30-05-2016 09:49 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  I recently bought a new laptop -- with W10. I detest this OS.

It amazes me how MS makes a worse product with each "upgrade". I want my XP back!

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I had Windows 10 on a clean install as soon as I could get it. I've had exactly 1 problem with it, which solved itself in the first week. It's better than 7 in many ways, and better than 8 in every way. The fact that it's like working under a spy's microscope is really the only downside.
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04-06-2016, 12:33 AM
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(03-06-2016 02:17 PM)unsapien Wrote:  Our IT department (just one guy actually) spent a week turning off the automatic updates on all the computers in our company and reversing the damage to the ones he didn't get to on time, cause some of the software we use doesn't work properly on windows 10.

I got it with my new computer at home and I am okay with it, but of course I did have to spend the first hour or so uninstalling all the crap they bundle with it.

But most importantly for those that have accepted the upgrade...go to settings and "privacy"...

[Image: NbniYcL.jpg]

...and see all the settings they have are ON by default and by "ON" I mean they can basically get full access to everything you do on your computer. Oh look you have an "ADVERTISING ID" how nice for them. Go through each tab on the left and read it. It's important. I turned all the settings off, cause I figured if there is something I need to turn on I can just turn on that 1 setting only, after 5 months it hasn't happened yet.

Great post, thanks for the heads-up. I had no idea this crap was collecting and sharing my info.
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04-06-2016, 02:11 AM
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7 is great but obsolete, 8 is pure horseshit if you are not using a tablet or touch screen, even then it sucks balls, and you will get 10 eventually whether it be finally upgrading or buying a new computer. Windows 10 is fine and is not the NSA. You have full control what information is released and what isn't. Everything Windows 10 collects is exactly what your smartphone collects, nothing new so if you really worry about privacy, don't use modern technology.


Also failed software is not Windows 10's fault. Windows SDK is released in advance to give developers a chance to make their software compatible. Wanna blame someone, blame the developers for being slow.

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04-06-2016, 03:31 AM
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(04-06-2016 02:11 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Also failed software is not Windows 10's fault. Windows SDK is released in advance to give developers a chance to make their software compatible. Wanna blame someone, blame the developers for being slow.

Sorry, Microsoft can suck a dick. They released a half-baked OS and used millions of users as beta testers - this *after* their official beta testing program. Devs won't be shifting to Win 10 until business does. If you wanna blame someone, blame yourself for buying their crapware and their crap excuses. Shifting Win 7 to 10 is not completely straightforward, it's *not* the equivalent of an incremental release say from Apple. Things can go wrong. Win 7 is scheduled to be supported until 2020. If some users prefer to stick with a working system that should be their choice.

And hey, knowing who to blame for not working software is fine and dandy but if you *need* that software and the devs are being slow, why should you put up with Microsoft dicking you around?

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04-06-2016, 03:55 AM
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(04-06-2016 03:31 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(04-06-2016 02:11 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Also failed software is not Windows 10's fault. Windows SDK is released in advance to give developers a chance to make their software compatible. Wanna blame someone, blame the developers for being slow.

Sorry, Microsoft can suck a dick. They released a half-baked OS and used millions of users as beta testers - this *after* their official beta testing program. Devs won't be shifting to Win 10 until business does. If you wanna blame someone, blame yourself for buying their crapware and their crap excuses. Shifting Win 7 to 10 is not completely straightforward, it's *not* the equivalent of an incremental release say from Apple. Things can go wrong. Win 7 is scheduled to be supported until 2020. If some users prefer to stick with a working system that should be their choice.

And hey, knowing who to blame for not working software is fine and dandy but if you *need* that software and the devs are being slow, why should you put up with Microsoft dicking you around?

It's software, the first version is never perfect. That's why there is updates to improve and fix and add. Shifting from 7 to 10 is pretty straightforward. I would know because I did it. Also from someone who took part on the beta tests and used the tech previews it went a long way when released, you wouldn't understand if you didn't see the development and changes before hand. Things can go wrong with anything.

I also am not saying everyone should update, I'm saying you are gonna have to get used to it because eventually you won't have a choice but to use it.

Do you blame the car manufacturer if your GPS is not working correctly?

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04-06-2016, 04:26 AM
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(04-06-2016 03:55 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  I also am not saying everyone should update, I'm saying you are gonna have to get used to it because eventually you won't have a choice but to use it.
Well, users do have a choice, funnily enough. I don't, unfortunately, since clients to whom our software is sold are standardised on Windows, and also since our software platform is specialised to Windows. But you can bet your life if I didn't have that reason to stay on Windows I'd have long since gone over to Linux. It's not realistic to expect most people to do so though.

Quote:Do you blame the car manufacturer if your GPS is not working correctly?
If the GPS satellite protocol changes and your GPS flips out, is it the GPS maker's fault? And if the GPS maker takes a while to update or decides fuck it, we're discontinuing support for that model of GPS because it's not worth our while, are you gonna be angry with them or with the guys who changed the protocol? After all you've got a theoretically working GPS receiver.

Or how about we carry this analogy even further? There's the old protocol that works and the new protocol that's buggy - or at least, not everyone has a great experience with it, and the GPS protocol guys start insisting that everyone must move to the new protocol while also pretending to give users a "choice"?

You might have had a fantastic experience with Win 10 as a technical user who's been using the previews and forgives a few bugs. The vast majority of users are non-technical. If something fucks out in the install process or whatever, or if they install Win 10 at Microsoft's insistence and suddenly their favourite program doesn't work, it's not straightforward to roll back. And if their favourite program doesn't work, who's fault is it? The guys who made the program who haven't got around to testing it and releasing it for Win 10, the user who upgraded from a working system, or Microsoft who promised a seamless experience and forced the update through? Win 7 *is* supported through to 2020. Unless Microsoft want to renege on that, they should respect users choice. That's all there is to it.

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04-06-2016, 04:34 AM
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(04-06-2016 04:26 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(04-06-2016 03:55 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  I also am not saying everyone should update, I'm saying you are gonna have to get used to it because eventually you won't have a choice but to use it.
Well, users do have a choice, funnily enough. I don't, unfortunately, since clients to whom our software is sold are standardised on Windows, and also since our software platform is specialised to Windows. But you can bet your life if I didn't have that reason to stay on Windows I'd have long since gone over to Linux. It's not realistic to expect most people to do so though.

They do have that choice and it's a valid choice, they would just have to learn how to use the new OS. I am not denying that. If you are going to stick with Windows though then eventually you will be using Windows 10 just like you hardly see anyone using XP now.

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04-06-2016, 04:39 AM
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(04-06-2016 02:11 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Windows 10 is fine and is not the NSA. You have full control what information is released and what isn't. Everything Windows 10 collects is exactly what your smartphone collects, nothing new so if you really worry about privacy, don't use modern technology.

While I agree with you that you can control the information Windows collects, what I find underhanded is that they set your info to be given out freely by default, and don't tell you that's what they are doing. If during the install process there was a pop up window that said something like "let's take a moment now to review your privacy settings" I'd be fine.

I know that there are probably about half a dozen employees of my apartment building (that I've never even met) that have a key to my place, but I also know that there is clause in my lease that says they have to give me a minimum of 24 hours notice to enter and give me a reason why they need to.

The whole software industry just seems to be a bit of a lawless wild west.

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