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14-02-2014, 03:53 PM
RE: Mac or PC? yes I am starting this classical debate
It's not much harder to write a virus for a mac. It's not about how hard it is, it's about market share. You want to write a virus that will affect the most people.
Besides that, there are in fact viruses for macs. My stepdad used to use that argument up until he came crying to me to fix his computer.
Guess what happened? He had to buy a new one.

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14-02-2014, 03:55 PM
RE: Mac or PC? yes I am starting this classical debate
(14-02-2014 03:42 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  It all balances out when you compare the amount of money you'll spend on virus protection and subscriptions and repairs. I've had the same Macs for almost 20 years and never one problem, no viruses, nothing.

Look, someone has to stand up for Macs in this thread so I'll fall on the sword.

It all depends on what you want the computer for (go ahead and insert your sarcastic snarky comment here, I lobbed it up there for the common denominators. After all, they are so miserable using their Windoze I may as well give them something to make them happy.) Smile

20 years? Shocking

I mean, I own more than one PC that is that old that is still in functioning condition, but any software that will run on it is so outdated that it barely gets online.

If it really is the case that you're still using a 20 year old mac, you really don't have a leg to stand on in this conversation. You're like the caveman getting all excited about a round rock you found while the rest of them are busy designing the first horse drawn cart.

"never one problem" I find extremely difficult to believe. If you mean "no major problems", I'd be willing to grant that. Like I said, I have PCs that old that are still in great shape.

The no virus thing isn't a function of Mac being superior, quite the opposite. The reason there aren't many Mac based viruses (they're not software agnostic) is because Macs make up a tiny portion of the user base. If you're writing code that has the sole intent of doing malicious things to as many people as possible, you're not going to target the computers who are 5% of the market, you'll go after the computers that comprise over 90%.

The average Mac will last longer than the average PC, but again, that's not something that is inherently better about the Mac. It has to do with the fact that there are countless PC manufacturers who will often use the cheapest parts they can get their hands on. The PCs I build last just as long as a Mac does because I use only high quality parts.

I'll grant that Mac does make a high quality product. however, it's not so high quality that you can't reproduce it yourself for a much cheaper price.

Excuse me, I'm making perfect sense. You're just not keeping up.

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14-02-2014, 03:56 PM
RE: Mac or PC? yes I am starting this classical debate
(14-02-2014 03:53 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  It's not much harder to write a virus for a mac. It's not about how hard it is, it's about market share. You want to write a virus that will affect the most people.
Besides that, there are in fact viruses for macs. My stepdad used to use that argument up until he came crying to me to fix his computer.
Guess what happened? He had to buy a new one.

I'm still waiting.

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14-02-2014, 03:57 PM
RE: Mac or PC? yes I am starting this classical debate
There once was a time in the early 2000s when OSX had some genuine advantages over contemporary editions of Windows (though still with the disadvantages of software availability and compatibility). That hasn't been true for quite a while. The usability and security advantages are unremarkable compared to Windows 7 or 8 (and power users have always cooked their own Linux anyway).

Which leave the matter of personal preference - a perfectly reasonable argument! Except not so much when you have equivalent products at demonstrably non-equivalent price points.

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14-02-2014, 03:59 PM
RE: Mac or PC? yes I am starting this classical debate
(14-02-2014 03:52 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Heard it all before, guys, and of course it's bullshit.

No, your arguments are all been heard before and are bullshit

(14-02-2014 03:52 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Pearl didn't mention wanting to have control over hardware and putting together her own computer, she asked for opinions. She obviously has Mac products and they are far simpler to use and are much more intuitive and user friendly. I've used both systems extensively and it's not even close.

How is what the rest have given here not opinions? You talk like you need a master degree to operate Windows. You don't. If you have a problem, look it up, it takes 20 seconds. Did you pay several hundred dollars instead of using up 20 seconds of your life?

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14-02-2014, 04:00 PM
RE: Mac or PC? yes I am starting this classical debate
(14-02-2014 03:55 PM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  
(14-02-2014 03:42 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  It all balances out when you compare the amount of money you'll spend on virus protection and subscriptions and repairs. I've had the same Macs for almost 20 years and never one problem, no viruses, nothing.

Look, someone has to stand up for Macs in this thread so I'll fall on the sword.

It all depends on what you want the computer for (go ahead and insert your sarcastic snarky comment here, I lobbed it up there for the common denominators. After all, they are so miserable using their Windoze I may as well give them something to make them happy.) Smile

20 years? Shocking

I mean, I own more than one PC that is that old that is still in functioning condition, but any software that will run on it is so outdated that it barely gets online.

If it really is the case that you're still using a 20 year old mac, you really don't have a leg to stand on in this conversation. You're like the caveman getting all excited about a round rock you found while the rest of them are busy designing the first horse drawn cart.

"never one problem" I find extremely difficult to believe. If you mean "no major problems", I'd be willing to grant that. Like I said, I have PCs that old that are still in great shape.

The no virus thing isn't a function of Mac being superior, quite the opposite. The reason there aren't many Mac based viruses (they're not software agnostic) is because Macs make up a tiny portion of the user base. If you're writing code that has the sole intent of doing malicious things to as many people as possible, you're not going to target the computers who are 5% of the market, you'll go after the computers that comprise over 90%.

The average Mac will last longer than the average PC, but again, that's not something that is inherently better about the Mac. It has to do with the fact that there are countless PC manufacturers who will often use the cheapest parts they can get their hands on. The PCs I build last just as long as a Mac does because I use only high quality parts.

I'll grant that Mac does make a high quality product. however, it's not so high quality that you can't reproduce it yourself for a much cheaper price.

I have new macs, too, but I still find reasons to use my other older macs, and I've passed a few on to my family, who still use them and they haven't had problems either.

Sure, PCs can be modified and built from scratch, and for more affordable prices, but that doesn't make them better, just cheap, like a dimestore hooker.

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14-02-2014, 04:01 PM
RE: Mac or PC? yes I am starting this classical debate
(14-02-2014 03:56 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  
(14-02-2014 03:53 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  It's not much harder to write a virus for a mac. It's not about how hard it is, it's about market share. You want to write a virus that will affect the most people.
Besides that, there are in fact viruses for macs. My stepdad used to use that argument up until he came crying to me to fix his computer.
Guess what happened? He had to buy a new one.

I'm still waiting.

Waiting time is over
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ap...-Macs.html

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14-02-2014, 04:02 PM
RE: Mac or PC? yes I am starting this classical debate
(14-02-2014 03:52 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Heard it all before, guys, and of course it's bullshit.

Pearl didn't mention wanting to have control over hardware and putting together her own computer, she asked for opinions. She obviously has Mac products and they are far simpler to use and are much more intuitive and user friendly. I've used both systems extensively and it's not even close.

Your argument is "they're stupid people friendly"??
Well duh, of course they're stupid people friendly, only stupid people buy Mac's so they have to be... Dodgy

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14-02-2014, 04:03 PM
RE: Mac or PC? yes I am starting this classical debate
(14-02-2014 03:59 PM)ELK12695 Wrote:  
(14-02-2014 03:52 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Heard it all before, guys, and of course it's bullshit.

No, your arguments are all been heard before and are bullshit

(14-02-2014 03:52 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Pearl didn't mention wanting to have control over hardware and putting together her own computer, she asked for opinions. She obviously has Mac products and they are far simpler to use and are much more intuitive and user friendly. I've used both systems extensively and it's not even close.

How is what the rest have given here not opinions? You talk like you need a master degree to operate Windows. You don't. If you have a problem, look it up, it takes 20 seconds. Did you pay several hundred dollars instead of using up 20 seconds of your life?

Most of the initial posts were just ad hominem attacks on the Mac product instead of useful advice and opinions.

I have never needed anyone to fix my Mac, but then again, nothing has ever gone wrong with them. Smile

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14-02-2014, 04:03 PM
RE: Mac or PC? yes I am starting this classical debate
(14-02-2014 04:00 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Sure, PCs can be modified and built from scratch, and for more affordable prices, but that doesn't make them better, just cheap, like a dimestore hooker.

Uh... if having better hardware is not in fact a [prominent but not sole] signifier of being better then I am utterly at a loss as to what would be...

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