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10-02-2013, 12:25 PM
Madalyn Murray O'Hair
I just listened to this Donahue show from 1970. Actually it's two shows, a debate and then viewer's questions the next day.
It's really interesting to see how people thought then, and how Madalyn would fit right here today anyway.
In 1970 I was higher than a kite and totally unconcerned with theism or atheism (it actually doesn't concern me too much to this day, lol)
Anyway, here is the show, a little trip into atheist history.



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10-02-2013, 03:42 PM
RE: Madalyn Murray O'Hair
(10-02-2013 12:25 PM)Dom Wrote:  I just listened to this Donahue show from 1970. Actually it's two shows, a debate and then viewer's questions the next day.
It's really interesting to see how people thought then, and how Madalyn would fit right here today anyway.
In 1970 I was higher than a kite and totally unconcerned with theism or atheism (it actually doesn't concern me too much to this day, lol)
Anyway, here is the show, a little trip into atheist history.


She ended getting bumped off over a family business feud.
Not sure if her son was involved.
The issue, I think involved the running of The American Atheist Association.
She was one atheist hard liner. Unsure
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10-02-2013, 04:39 PM
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(10-02-2013 03:42 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  
(10-02-2013 12:25 PM)Dom Wrote:  I just listened to this Donahue show from 1970. Actually it's two shows, a debate and then viewer's questions the next day.
It's really interesting to see how people thought then, and how Madalyn would fit right here today anyway.
In 1970 I was higher than a kite and totally unconcerned with theism or atheism (it actually doesn't concern me too much to this day, lol)
Anyway, here is the show, a little trip into atheist history.


She ended getting bumped off over a family business feud.
Not sure if her son was involved.
The issue, I think involved the running of The American Atheist Association.
She was one atheist hard liner. Unsure
Seems those sort of debates have't improved much in 43 years. No

Madalyn ,on points, account of those silly Christians.

She once described agnostics as "gutless atheists". No
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10-02-2013, 06:01 PM
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She did get bumped off, but not in a family feud:

Quote:Ultimately, a murder investigation focused on David Roland Waters, who had worked as a typesetter for American Atheists. Not only did Waters have previous convictions for violent crimes, there were several suspicious burglaries during his tenure, and he had pleaded guilty earlier in 1995 to stealing $54,000 from American Atheists.[23]
Shortly after his theft of the $54,000 was discovered, O'Hair had written a scathing article in the 'Members Only' section of the American Atheists newsletter exposing Waters, the theft and Waters' previous crimes,[9] including a 1977 incident in which Waters allegedly beat and urinated upon his mother.[23] Waters' girlfriend later testified that he was enraged by O'Hair's article, and that he fantasized about torturing her in gruesome ways.[23]
The police concluded that Waters and his accomplices had kidnapped all three O'Hairs, forced them to withdraw the missing funds, gone on several huge shopping sprees with the O'Hairs' money and credit cards, and then murdered and dismembered all three people.[24] Waters' accomplices included Gary Paul Karr and Danny Fry.[24] A few days after the O'Hairs were killed, Fry was murdered by Waters and Karr. Fry's body was found on a riverbed with his head and hands severed and missing. His body remained unidentified for three and a half years.[24]
In January 2001, Waters informed the police that the O'Hairs were buried on a Texas ranch, and he subsequently led them to the bodies.[9][19] When the police excavated there, they discovered that the O'Hairs' bodies had been cut into dozens of pieces with a saw. The remains exhibited such extensive mutilation and successive decomposition that identification had to be made through dental records, by DNA testing and, in Madalyn O'Hair's case, by the serial number of her prosthetic hip.[25] The head and hands of Danny Fry were also found at the site.
The gold coins extorted from the O'Hairs were put in a storage locker rented by Waters' girlfriend.[9] Waters had taken out $80,000 and partied with his girlfriend for a few days, but upon his return he discovered that the remaining $420,000 had been stolen. A group of thieves operating in that area had a master key to the type of lock that Waters used to secure the locker. In the course of their activities, they came across the locker, used the master key to open it, and found a suitcase full of gold coins. They eventually spent all but one, which the police recovered.[9]
Karr was arrested, tried, and found guilty of extortion charges related to the O'Hair case, however, he was acquitted of kidnapping conspiracy.[24] Karr was sentenced to life in prison in August 2000 by U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks.[26] Waters was arrested and found guilty of kidnapping, robbery, and murder in the O'Hair case, and was sentenced to 20 years in prison.[27] In addition, he was also ordered to pay back a total of $543,665 to the United Secularists of America and to the estates of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, Jon Garth Murray, and Robin Murray O'Hair. It is unlikely that any of these debts were paid, because Waters had no ability to earn money while in prison. Waters died of lung cancer at the Federal Medical Center in Butner, North Carolina, on January 27, 2003.[9]
There was some criticism of the Austin Police Department's apparent apathy about the disappearance. Austin reporter Robert Bryce wrote:
Quote:"Despite pleas from O'Hair's son, William J. Murray, several briefings from federal agents, and solid leads developed by members of the press, the Austin Police Department (APD) sat on the sidelines of the O'Hair investigation.... Meanwhile, investigators from the Internal Revenue Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the Dallas County Sheriff's Office are working together on the case ... a federal agent was asked to discuss APD's actions in the O'Hair case. His only response was to roll his eyes in amazement."[23]

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10-02-2013, 06:09 PM
RE: Madalyn Murray O'Hair
In 1970 I was five. Sleepy

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10-02-2013, 08:12 PM
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(10-02-2013 06:09 PM)smidgen Wrote:  In 1970 I was five. Sleepy


Lucky!you missed O'Hair.

Actually that video was quite good and the preacher managed to keep very cool.
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14-02-2013, 06:32 PM
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(10-02-2013 08:12 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  
(10-02-2013 06:09 PM)smidgen Wrote:  In 1970 I was five. Sleepy


Lucky!you missed O'Hair.

Actually that video was quite good and the preacher managed to keep very cool.
Actually I was looking for Hobbitgirl's post and video, re atheism seen as a religion with the very smug fellow.

In the O'Hair debate imo she sort of relates to atheism as a religion, and I would suggest that some atheists are religiously passionate about a total denial of a god of any sort, Christian or otherwise.
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14-02-2013, 06:59 PM
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God, what a repulsive old woman. I couldn't even finish the video before I exited it. That was a shameful display of arrogance. Not only by the Minister, but by the atheist( or anti-theist). She was just absolutely abhorrent. Her points are valid, but her presentation is just sad.


Couldn't finish the thing, sorry.

I think today's debates are much more civil and less conceited than that.

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14-02-2013, 07:02 PM
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I found it interesting when the preacher mentioned that the moderator was also "lost" - something they apparently discussed in prior private conversation.
Donahue was an atheist?

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14-02-2013, 07:07 PM
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(14-02-2013 06:59 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  God, what a repulsive old woman. I couldn't even finish the video before I exited it. That was a shameful display of arrogance. Not only by the Minister, but by the atheist( or anti-theist). She was just absolutely abhorrent. Her points are valid, but her presentation is just sad.


Couldn't finish the thing, sorry.

I think today's debates are much more civil and less conceited than that.
An acqaintance of mine once met her;he was pretty much of the same opinion as you.

I wonder if she really was true to her hus Cool band?
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