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10-07-2012, 09:27 PM
Madness!
Hi!
My first post since intro. Regarding a christian friend, let's call him
Matthew, who still cling to his beliefs despite finding contradictions.


I met this guy 3 years ago at my work place. A very 'normal' person in most
aspects, also a nice and kind person, we helped each other out many times.
However he was and still is probably the most depressing person I know;
complains constantly about not having a girl friend, shy, and talks about how he's
depressed all the time. I'm one of the very few people who actually talk to him
at work. I would always try to include him in conversations at work when we
have new team members, especially girls so that he would feel included and open
up to make new friends.


Through talking, he found out that I do not believe in the christian God or any god for
that matter. He tried to get me to go to church with him to be saved... of
course I declined. I challenged him a little about his beliefs. Now, this is
where he's different than most christians I've talked to.


Most christians I've talked to, I ask very simple questions, 1-What is it that you
believe? 2-Give reason why you believe. Very simple. The most popular so far:
"I've seen miracles". I would follow up by asking for examples of
miracles; one of my favourite so far: "I prayed before and after my job
interview and got the job 2 weeks after" Really? Nothing to do with your
qualifications and your performance during said interview? But the most common
one by far: "It's personal, I'm not going to tell you!"; those pisses
me right off. This girl I used to be friends with would talk to me about her
problems with her bf all the time, details that other dudes should not know,
yet two minutes after one of those conversation, God came up and I asked for a
miracle, she stormed out claiming that it was 'personal'... Your problem in bed
wasn't personal enough?


My friend Matthew however, is very different. He admitted that he had never heard
God(blames himself for this), never witnessed any miracle, and admitted that
his prayers were never answered(also blames himself for this). He went on to
read the bible, he actually read all of it, then admits that the God of the
bible is very different than the one he was taught in church. At first he would
tell me that the New Testament 'explains' the Old Testament, whatever that
meant. Then he changed it to: "I'm just not smart enough to
understand." Then recently, he emailed me and said, "I can't explain
the differences between what I was taught and what was in the bible. You can
ask as many questions as you like. I believe God is looking out for me and will
carry me through life." Essentially, "I don't care that it's true or
not, I'll believe anyways.."


What the heck? How can anyone admit those things and still believe? What do you guys
think? Is this something common?

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10-07-2012, 09:34 PM
RE: Madness!
What do I think? Nutbag. Get some sane friends. Thumbsup

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10-07-2012, 09:45 PM
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Yes, it's common. The truth is irrelevant. It's their beliefs that are important.
Their faith carries them with their eyes closed, all the way KNOWING that god is leading them.
Should they fall off a cliff, then they will accept god's mysterious plan for their lives.

Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.

People who observe the world with their eyes open won't generally walk off a cliff. Some do, but that's another story. Damn parachute base jumpers.

Insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
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10-07-2012, 09:49 PM
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It sounds like the only crutch he has left. It could be the only thing that keeps him from 'offing' himself....sad really.

Maybe some anti-depressants are in order or a psyche evaluation?

Good job talking to him tho, as it can be hard to stay friends with depressive people Yes

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10-07-2012, 10:07 PM
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(10-07-2012 09:27 PM)xieulong Wrote:  However he was and still is probably the most depressing person I know; complains constantly about not having a girl friend, shy, and talks about how he's depressed all the time.

Sounds like the fucker just needs to get laid.

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10-07-2012, 10:12 PM
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(10-07-2012 10:07 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 09:27 PM)xieulong Wrote:  However he was and still is probably the most depressing person I know; complains constantly about not having a girl friend, shy, and talks about how he's depressed all the time.

Sounds like the fucker just needs to get laid.

Preach it, Brother B!

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10-07-2012, 10:16 PM
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You're all such apes! Drinking Beverage

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11-07-2012, 02:01 AM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2012 09:24 AM by Filox.)
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No Rory, this guy just needs to get laid and his life is saved. We are not apes, we are realistic.



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11-07-2012, 07:03 AM
RE: Madness!
Getting laid will prolly help most people haha. Buuuuuuut... he is apparently saving for marriage... He could've gotten laid long time ago; his first an only gf was willing, but he turned her down...
Oh well, I'll try to get him to join my soccer team or something, maybe that'll give more chance to meet people.
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11-07-2012, 07:18 AM
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I have to agree, a little sex never hurt a guy... except if he was a praying mantis...

Hey, long.

Fact of the universe #1: All humans are always affected by and agents of ideology.
Fact of the universe #2: All ideologies contain contradictions.
Fact of the universe #3: Hegemony sutures those contradictions and naturalises ideology.

It's not uncommon for someone outside of an ideology to be able to see the contradictions contained within it while those inside of it cannot.

This is simply a mechanism of the human mind. There's nothing magical at work. And it's not limited to religious ideology.

The only way around it is for you, or he, or both of you to deconstruct the ideology through discourse to make those contradictions plain and to create new knowledge for a new ideology; however, as you have already witnessed, the ideology will try to reassert itself when you make the attempt.

It's not about right or wrong, or inaccurate or factual, or sanity or madness, or smart or dumb because these notions are themselves ideological. It's simply about how the human mind functions.

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